Nj & NY Different Striper Regulations? Ok for Bass unfair for Fluke?

[Capt. Jerry P]

So no matter what ur opinion is on what the striper regs should b ( I kbow there are many). It has come to my attention that striper regs and options that are proposed ( not definite till approved ) are different for Nj and Ny.

Im not hating on anybody or any state as we are all faced with tough decisions when it comes to regulations... But Wasnt it just last year that NY cried how it was unfair for nj and ny to have different fluke regulations ? Threatened lawsuits... One of the biggest arguments is that they shared waters in example raritan bay.

Now we are gonna adopt the same thing that was unfair with fluke n it's ok with stripers ?

A large part of striper fishing is done in raritan bay ( shared waters) and there will b two different regulations and slots to follow by where ur fishing n where ur boat is at of.

Isnt it now unfair to nj anglers esp the highlands party n charter boat fleet n recreational anglers that fish those areas.

That Nj boats will b right next to ny boats that would b allowed a smaller fish while nj second fish would have to b bigger. Not to mention nj boat wouldn't b allowed to posses whatever is a legal fish in nj in ny waters as there will b a fish of a certain size that is not permitted in ny.

[Capt. Jerry P]

Update from New York regarding striped bass - after what I'm told was a long, sometimes contentious and often boisterous debate, the New York Marine Resources Advisory Council voted for a slot option to provide a second fish and a 28% harvest reduction. That could fall in line with 'on at 28 to 34' and a 'second fish at 36 and above' - or if ASMFC decides that's not enough for a 28% reduction in NY, the 'trophy' fish could possibly go to a 38-inch minimum size.


On Thursday, the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council approved an option for a two-fish limit for the 2015 striped bass season. The approved option allows for one fish between 28 to 43 inches and another fish at 43 inches and above. The size and bag limit must now meet with legislative approval.

[jmurr711]

Originally Posted by Capt. Jerry P

Update from New York regarding striped bass - after what I'm told was a long, sometimes contentious and often boisterous debate, the New York Marine Resources Advisory Council voted for a slot option to provide a second fish and a 28% harvest reduction. That could fall in line with 'on at 28 to 34' and a 'second fish at 36 and above' - or if ASMFC decides that's not enough for a 28% reduction in NY, the 'trophy' fish could possibly go to a 38-inch minimum size.


On Thursday, the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council approved an option for a two-fish limit for the 2015 striped bass season. The approved option allows for one fish between 28 to 43 inches and another fish at 43 inches and above. The size and bag limit must now meet with legislative approval.

#saveastriperbookabottomcharter

[Capt. Jerry P]

Originally Posted by jmurr711

#saveastriperbookabottomcharter

Told ya that da 2015 motto

[Hunter 2]

Thanks for the info Jerry,
Fluking was less stressful in the Raritan Bay last season with the regs being the same. My Homeport is Keyport and it's such a pain in the a$$ to always worry about the "state line". Hopefully they can get this worked out.
Eddie

[chrislars]

should be a simple argument for this, like fluke. they migrate through both state's waters. hudson river and the spawning is obviously a whole different story, but both species don't winter in nj or ny waters, so they are simply migrating through to their summer homes or coming back for their winter respite. under that premise, and the one the fluke regs were based on, NJ & NY should have the same set of rules. plain and simple to me.....

[Capt Sal]

NJ charter and PB must pay for a NY permit but NY for hire boats do not have to pay to fish in NJ! We will never be on the same page. I want the Statue Of Liberty back also!

[Capt. Jerry P]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

NJ charter and PB must pay for a NY permit but NY for hire boats do not have to pay to fish in NJ! We will never be on the same page. I want the Statue Of Liberty back also!

If nj had a permit for charter boats then they would have to pay but we don't lol n the statue of liberty fight is not one that interests me or my livelhood. However u are correct with never being on the same page

Point being where is the ny politician now that was saying how un fair it was when fluke was gonna b different? Or the anglers who boasted about how unfair it was n it should b the same. Then we go and do the very same thing with another species that is heavily fished in shared waters ( which is what the argument was )

This would obviously hurt the party boats in Atlantic highlands even more than the regs changing to begin with on top of being a big headache. Ur legal 34.1 -35.11 inch bass would now b illegal soon as u crossed into ny bc there slot does not allow one

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

It hasn't even begun yet in regards to Fluke. The southern NJ guys have been trying to push a split NJ state Fluke size option. From say, Great Egg Inlet, south they want Delaware regulations. North of GEI they say we remain with NY regs. These are the same guys who gave back fish for a lower size limit. See how well that worked out.

http://www.asmfc.org/uploads/file/54...nt_Dec2014.pdf

[Capt. Jerry P]

Originally Posted by Fishguts

Not trying to offer any opinions but they way I am seeing there appears to be confusion on a few things.
It may help to keep in mind that one is managed under a TAL (fluke) and one is managed under a mortality rate (stripers). These will create two completely different management strategies .
In the case of the stripers, the shared waters can have very different size limits and still achieve the target of 28 % reduction in mortality for each individual state. The decrease mortality rate is being managed state wide for each states full coast line. To my knowledge there has been no options to have reduced fishing days.
In the case of fluke it's TAL . Each state has it's allotted poundage for the season . They could opt for larger size and longer season or small fish with short season. I think the NY political issues were over allotted poundage for their states TAL than Jersey size limit.

The same paragraph u just wrote is the same bs we been hearing for years from the same people. Ur my bro birch but im surprised u could even stand to write it anymore lol bc to me and most it's all just make believe nonsense.

I'm just stating the fact that ny and nj are proposing to adopt separate n different regulations for stripers if approved and what it mears for nj anglers. All of which I posted is correct no?

Ur 34.1 inch up to 35.99999 inch legal nj striper will become illegal if u enter ny waters and our second fish will b 7 inches larger to keep in the same waters if these measures r approved.

Seems awful silly coming from a whole bunch of smart people who complained about shared waters with fluke

Even if both states meet the reduction it just seems we created the same problem all over again.