30 Knot gusts tomorrow is not the only thing that Blows

[reason162]

Originally Posted by AndrewT

Man I cringe so hard every time someone says "follow the science" as if it isnt often manipulated

Lol in the fisheries context - manipulated by who? To what end?

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by reason162

Lol in the fisheries context - manipulated by who? To what end?

For being a good fisherman you really are clueless or
Drunk on their kool aid .

There hasn’t been one aspect of fisheries science used for fishery management that’s been proven accurate .

Stuff that actually has been proven never even gets a chance for peer review


For what it’s worth I have a friend who has done much of the net samples for both NJ and Ny
He is constantly asked to drag in areas they Know they will not get what they require .

Intentional or not .
You won’t find steak sampling at a vegan buffet .

[Ol Pedro]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

For being a good fisherman you really are clueless or
Drunk on their kool aid .

There hasn’t been one aspect of fisheries science used for fishery management that’s been proven accurate .

Stuff that actually has been proven never even gets a chance for peer review


For what it’s worth I have a friend who has done much of the net samples for both NJ and Ny
He is constantly asked to drag in areas they Know they will not get what they require .

Intentional or not .
You won’t find steak sampling at a vegan buffet .

Capt. Dan, I agree with you. I saw a chart of the drag lines that they use . It's my under standing that they use the same lines every year. What happens when there's water temperature differences year to year? Fish move, currents change. Its like it's programmed to fail. No matter how hard they try they will fail if they are in the wrong place.
I always thought that what they told us is voodoo science.

[RU fan]

Yep, when they start building the wind turbines again and whales start washing up in big numbers. They will say the science points to boat strikes.

[reason162]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

For what it’s worth I have a friend who has done much of the net samples for both NJ and Ny
He is constantly asked to drag in areas they Know they will not get what they require

Yeah you're confusing the goal of sampling surveys, it's not to find fish per se. You would set up in the same place year after year to see the relative difference in sample size - that's how you establish trends over time.

There hasn’t been one aspect of fisheries science used for fishery management that’s been proven accurate .

Stuff that actually has been proven never even gets a chance for peer review

What do you mean by "prove"? Proven by who - you and your buddies on the internet?

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by reason162

Yeah you're confusing the goal of sampling surveys, it's not to find fish per se. You would set up in the same place year after year to see the relative difference in sample size - that's how you establish trends over time.



What do you mean by "prove"? Proven by who - you and your buddies on the internet?

Your understanding of statistics and sampling procedures betrays not a hint of moniker. If you want to sample the population year after year, it has to be done randomly in areas that are in an around the actual migration route for that year. So basically, if the fleet is in 60’ all week, that is where they need to sample. If they are running up the river and the fleet is on the edges of Ambrose, that’s where you sample.

[togzilla]

Originally Posted by RU fan

Yep, when they start building the wind turbines again and whales start washing up in big numbers. They will say the science points to boat strikes.

Spot on! NJ is such a corrupt state. We never had significant whales washing up dead on our beaches until they starting seismic testing the ocean floors for places to put the wind turbines. The "so called" govt. experts claimed it was due to speeding boats strikes. Why were there so many boat strikes during the years of the seismic testing? Many experts concluded that the seismic testing affected the inner sonar of the whales making them disoriented and unaware of passing ships. But that does not fit the narrative for the advocates of the offshore winds. It's all about money and the Gopher Shit Eating Grinning Murphy could care less just as long as his political interests are pushed forward and now we have his step sister running NJ. People are so stupid in this state!

[reason162]

Originally Posted by NoLimit

Your understanding of statistics and sampling procedures betrays not a hint of moniker. If you want to sample the population year after year, it has to be done randomly in areas that are in an around the actual migration route for that year. So basically, if the fleet is in 60’ all week, that is where they need to sample. If they are running up the river and the fleet is on the edges of Ambrose, that’s where you sample.

This is so wrong it's laughable. You don't sample "where the fish are," you sample physical sites - and you repeatedly sample multiple sites over multiple years. Dipping your net where the fish are each year tells you nothing about how the population is trending over time.

Keep in mind that YoY and landings (among others) also factor into the models, so when multiple sources of population density agree, it's further evidence that the modeling is sound.

[reason162]

Still waiting on someone - anyone - to explain who is manipulating the fisheries science data and why.

[Capt. Debbie]

I kinda doubt ex military is a PETA member. lol

So who doesn't take pictures of us and our bigger catches? Did you ever see if the fisheries talk is only talk(no pics?)? We shall see if there's any difference.

The migratory NOAA stuff is all federal rules anyway. And we all know Donald has our backs LMAO

Originally Posted by Ol Pedro

Reason, if she doesn't will you still be happy? What if she's a Peta member? We don't know. At least the other guy told us how he stands. I guess we will find out . I'll start another thread in 4 years so we can compare notes on this and the state of the Stripers.