9/16 NJ Striped Bass Public Hearing 6-8PM

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

well ill bet if the things we"fight" for went our way once in awhile,there would be more support.we have had our own elected officials lie right to our face.we try everything from fund raising,protests,marching on dc and more,just to be
lied and forgotten about.its really quite sad but lets face facts,its all about the monies and who is making it.the real sad part is that we only ask for"fair" regs.

A fair point Dunker... It is discouraging and frustrating because things typically have not gone our way. In fact, when is the last time we've had an increase on anything? It always gets worse, not better.

A big tell in my mind is what they do with Seabass next year since it's been 2x rebuilt, based on their own data. If we don't get significant increases in measures and regs, they've totally lost the public trust. Enough is enough and we may have to use some nuclear options like go out of compliance or go higher up in NOAA and call them out.

There is no way they pass the red face test on this since a decision to give us nothing is totally illogical and unacceptable!

It also seems to me that've

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

A big tell in my mind is what they do with Seabass next year since it's been 2x rebuilt, based on their own data. If we don't get significant increases in measures and regs, they've totally lost the public trust. Enough is enough and we may have to use some nuclear options like go out of compliance or go higher up in NOAA and call them out.

Gerry I'm not familiar with the process and consequences of going out of compliance, I only remember when this was discussed back in 2018 it means closing the fishery involved to both recreational and commercial harvest. If true, there is no way the commercial sector or powers to be would allow that to happen not to mention the impact it would have on the recreational sector. Small business owners would get crushed.

Going higher up in NOAA won't help unless it involves a lawsuit as NOAA, NMFS and the Department of Commerce are the agencies directly or indirectly putting these ridiculous regulations in place.

Anyone every hear of the Boston Tea Party?

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Gerry I'm not familiar with the process and consequences of going out of compliance, I only remember when this was discussed back in 2018 it means closing the fishery involved to both recreational and commercial harvest. If true, there is no way the commercial sector or powers to be would allow that to happen not to mention the impact it would have on the recreational sector. Small business owners would get crushed.

Going higher up in NOAA won't help unless it involves a lawsuit as NOAA, NMFS and the Department of Commerce are the agencies directly or indirectly putting these ridiculous regulations in place.

Anyone every hear of the Boston Tea Party?

If we have the right Governor in place who would support going out of compliance and now we have a seemingly more fishermen federal level people in place this might be the right time to. Just like Fluke back in the day, once it got escalated to a federal level, underlings were told to " figure it out" before we were actually out of compliance.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

If we have the right Governor in place who would support going out of compliance and now we have a seemingly more fishermen federal level people in place this might be the right time to. Just like Fluke back in the day, once it got escalated to a federal level, underlings were told to " figure it out" before we were actually out of compliance.

Gerry stripers have a lesser percentage of the fishery allocated to commercial than recreational compared to fluke so you might be right. I still don't see the states influencing the Secretary of Commerce, NOAA, NMFS, ASMFC or MAFMC without a lawsuit involved or commercial agreeing to go out of compliance and agreeing to a closure which would be shocking if they ever did. Again I'm not sure how that entire process works but you know commercial will try to influence or fight that decision from ever being made. They have the money, the lobbying effort and the ear of the Department of Commerce, I think it's that simple but pray I'm wrong.

[Capt Sal]

Each state is for themself NJ is a producer state and the limit should reflect it.

[bunker dunker]

i am not saying we should ever stop trying,just saying the loss of interest is growing and growing.a great point made about the 2x growth of sea bass in our area and we have to wonder if the will cut the limits??

[1captainron]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

Because there has never been a united front demanding change .
The marches in Washington had better turn out from states thousands of miles away than it did from Nj .
We didn’t even fill 2 buses at the slowest time of the year for fishing either year
Would have thought we could fill 10 buses just with people from the NJ for hire fleet.

I remember that well Dan, I sat on that bus and watched the competition shape up that day, I was beyond pissed. I stayed active many years not looking for thanks but for survival. The clowns of years past are still the clowns today with nothing to show for themselves. Seems nothing will ever change.

[bunker dunker]

so who are the clowns?? the peeps that go full bore,give it there all with no results or the peeps who just sit back and watch because they know what the outcome will be after watching for 40 years???.this whole thing su*&s for sure.

[Broad Bill]

Unfortunately I couldn't attend this evenings meeting in Manahawkin. Anyone on the site attend and if so I'd appreciate an update how it went. Thanks.

[hartattack]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Unfortunately I couldn't attend this evenings meeting in Manahawkin. Anyone on the site attend and if so I'd appreciate an update how it went. Thanks.

Hey Tom I couldn't attend either but here's an attached summary from Nick H: