Monster Flathead Madness (8/4/16): New PB and a First

[FASTEDDIE29]

YEA BUDDY! Now were talking! Those are some beautiful INVASIVE FLATHEADS! I love this! Great fishing guys! Way to get the bigguns to bite! FLATHEAD FEVER!

JD! The 36+ inchers I've got had various weights depending on what was in there bellies! 1 36 was 25lbs 4ozs! Another was much wider and fatter just under 30 lbs! The fatter the belly the better! That fish you caught looks longgggg in the pic! You sure it wasn't closer to 40 inches? They've been around and are being caught pretty far north! Good stuff man!!!

[Almaink]

Why would you release a Flathead? I was under the impression you are supposed to kill everyone you catch as per F&G's instructions on invasive fish.

[XXlyakattacker]

Great job, your making me want to try this out.

[23cardinal]

Originally Posted by Almaink

Why would you release a Flathead? I was under the impression you are supposed to kill everyone you catch as per F&G's instructions on invasive fish.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/aquat...s.htm?prompt=0

He is correct. And their tasty- never had one from the Delaware- but imagine their good

First your comments assume these fish were caught in NJ, maybe they were caught at the Delaware Water Gap on the Pa side which has a different set of regulations. If they were taken from NJ waters, NJ regulations require release because they don't want these fish encroaching on the established species already present in the system. You've heard the saying "hope is not a strategy". Well NJFG hoping these fish go away is equivalent to putting their heads in the sand. They're population is increasing, size is increasing and they're pushing further up river every year. One fish lays a massive amount of eggs, the species is apparently spawning with great success so the fishery is only going to further expand. For those who target them, they are truly a trophy catch. And like many trophy catches, many if not most people release them in the hopes of catching even bigger flat heads. NJFG will be forced to change their stance at some point because the simple facts are mandating people to release their catches isn't going to happen. And even if the few maniacs who target these fish and put in the insane hours catching a trophy keep them, the population is still going to explode. How many people would kill an 8 lb large mouth bass, a 4 lb small mouth, or a 35 lb musky? Then why would you expect people to kill a 40 plus lb. flat head, just because the state says so even though it won't make a dent in the population? NJ as I said earlier has their heads in the sand with this fishery, they'll be forced to take a different position sooner than later. Just because they're clueless doesn't mean we have to be. It's one of the greatest fresh water fisheries we have which provides an opportunity to catch a truly huge fish, why destroy it. Nature has a way of balancing out, maybe flat heads are nature's answer for controlling the spread of carp! The answer doesn't always have to be in the form of a regulation. And in this case it's a regulation which makes no sense so if you or anyone else want to follow it blindly just because it exists that's your prerogative but as I said most serious flat head guys respect the resource and will never keep a trophy fish just because some bureaucrat is trying to protect the resident species of fish. At the end of the day, it all comes down to money and in the case of our fisheries selling more resident and non resident fishing licenses. Well embrace the flat head fishery and sell more licenses. Initiate and promote tournaments. Everyone is concerned the precious trout, walleye and small mouth populations in the big rivers will be destroyed by these fish. Maybe nature will find a way of balancing itself out without politicians involvement. What a novel idea! I would challenge anyone on this site to put in the effort to catch one of these trophies and NOT catch the bug. They hit like a freight train, can peel 100 feet of drag in seconds and have head shakes that rival any fresh water fish. Worthy adversary that requires time and effort. Almost exclusively a live bait predator that requires fishing at night. As a previous thread discussed, there are fish caught during daylight and on cut bait but 95% of fish I would guess are taken at night with live baits. What other fresh water fishery is there when every bite you get could be a 30 or 40 lb fish.....none! My question would be why would anyone not release these big girls. If you want a few and feel better obeying the regulations, keep some of the smaller fish but don't &$%^ up one of the best fisheries this state or any other has to offer.......it would be a sin especially if your doing so just because the state said you have to because of money and politics!

Oh and by the way, Justin and Chris way to make it happen guys. Wish I was there with you last night. You pay your dues and catching those fish was not stupid luck. With the hours we all put in, a 40 lber will hit the decks this year, feel very confident in that. We might have dropped a few already but sooner than later we'll get and land the right bite. Chris fantastic to see you not only scratch the flat head off your bucket list but do it in grand fashion! Great job guys!

[FASTEDDIE29]

Originally Posted by dakota560

First your comments assume these fish were caught in NJ, maybe they were caught at the Delaware Water Gap on the Pa side which has a different set of regulations. If they were taken from NJ waters, NJ regulations require release because they don't want these fish encroaching on the established species already present in the system. You've heard the saying "hope is not a strategy". Well NJFG hoping these fish go away is equivalent to putting their heads in the sand. They're population is increasing, size is increasing and they're pushing further up river every year. One fish lays a massive amount of eggs, the species is apparently spawning with great success so the fishery is only going to further expand. For those who target them, they are truly a trophy catch. And like many trophy catches, many if not most people release them in the hopes of catching even bigger flat heads. NJFG will be forced to change their stance at some point because the simple facts are mandating people to release their catches isn't going to happen. And even if the few maniacs who target these fish and put in the insane hours catching a trophy keep them, the population is still going to explode. How many people would kill an 8 lb large mouth bass, a 4 lb small mouth, or a 35 lb musky? Then why would you expect people to kill a 40 plus lb. flat head, just because the state says so even though it won't make a dent in the population? NJ as I said earlier has their heads in the sand with this fishery, they'll be forced to take a different position sooner than later. Just because they're clueless doesn't mean we have to be. It's one of the greatest fresh water fisheries we have which provides an opportunity to catch a truly huge fish, why destroy it. Nature has a way of balancing out, maybe flat heads are nature's answer for controlling the spread of carp! The answer doesn't always have to be in the form of a regulation. And in this case it's a regulation which makes no sense so if you or anyone else want to follow it blindly just because it exists that's your prerogative but as I said most serious flat head guys respect the resource and will never keep a trophy fish just because some bureaucrat is trying to protect the resident species of fish. At the end of the day, it all comes down to money and in the case of our fisheries selling resident and non resident fishing licenses. Well embrace the flat head fishery and sell more licenses. Initiate and promote tournaments. Everyone is concerned the precious trout, walleye and small mouth populations in the big rivers will be destroyed by these fish. Maybe nature will find a way of balancing itself out without politicians involvement. What a novel idea! I would challenge anyone on this site to put in the effort to catch one of these trophies and NOT catch the bug. They hit like a freight train, can peel 100 feet of drag in seconds and have head shakes that rival any fresh water fish. Worthy adversary that requires time and effort. Almost exclusively a live bait predator that requires fishing at night. As a previous thread discussed, there are fish caught during daylight and on cut bait but 95% of fish I would guess are taken at night with live baits. What other fresh water fishery is there when every bite you get could be a 30 or 40 lb fish.....none! My question would be why would anyone not release these big girls. If you want a few and feel better obeying the regulations, keep some of the smaller fish but don't &$%^ up one of the best fisheries this state or any other has to offer.......it would be a sin especially if your doing so just because the state said you have to because of money and politics!

Oh and by the way, Justin and Chris way to make it happen guys. Wish I was there with you last night. You pay your dues and catching those fish was not stupid luck. With the hours we all put in, a 40 lber will hit the decks this year, feel very confident in that. We might have dropped a few already but sooner than later we'll get the right bite. Chris fantastic to see you not only scratch the flat head off your bucket list but do it in grand fashion! Great job guys!

Very well stated my friend! I am very happy you said what I have always been thinking! They don't have a clue as to how many are out there! They're in the Raritan, BIG D, D&R canal and other river systems! I've flipped many rocks looking for Smallie bait and at certain times of year there's baby Flats everywhere! The Smallie population has mad a comeback in the rivers I fish! Bait is thriving! I say let them live! Does the state really think I'm going to kill a 25-30 lb fish to bring home? Oh hell no NJF&G! This is the one thing I disagree with! You can't turn a catch and release guy into a MURDERER! That's straight up terroristic kind of stuff! Do yourselves a favor and get rid of the "DESTROY THE FLATHEAD" idea! It's not going to happen!!!

Dakota! Thank you again for your post! Good stuff!

And kudos to JD and Chrisper for an EPIC night of "FLATHEADIN!!!"

[icebadger]

well done congrats on your pb flathead. all those fish are awesomeby the way thanks for calling chrisper and helping him kick that curse congrats to chris on his first flattyyou guys hammerd em.

[Esox Luciano]

Another stellar report from the dynamic duo!! Great job & congrats on the new PB JD!! Definitely a nice specimen you picked off as well Cris! Work hard, play hard, nice pics to show a job well done.

[NJSquatch]

Way to go guys!

[tradingfrank27]

oh snap that's some big cats, well done boys