Wawayanda Salmon Help

[Capspath83]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Waywayanda has been fished the same way for many many years. Drift fishing with live herring, about 25 or so feet down/.. Add a split shot or two to keep the bait down in the zone.. If you can keep the herring alive, you will catch fish... They won't hit other types of bait fish typically.. In that lake its pretty much herring if you want to fish with bait... bob

Hey Bob, do they normally stay down around 25ft all year? just curious. I would think as the weather turns during the seasons, they would come up closer. to the surface I was thinking they would be down deeper than 25ft in this heat.

Just since I am going to go in late september/early october again

[Captiva]

I've had success trolling with leadcore for salmon on Waywayanda with spoons such as Michigan Stingers and DB Smelt.

Summer salmon fishing is tough with a more limited window for a good bite and you are better off trolling herring right now.

That being said, I highly recommend using leadcore. You can troll on a precise depth based on speed. Troll artificial lures faster than bait.

[Capspath83]

Originally Posted by Captiva

I've had success trolling with leadcore for salmon on Waywayanda with spoons such as Michigan Stingers and DB Smelt.

Summer salmon fishing is tough with a more limited window for a good bite and you are better off trolling herring right now.

That being said, I highly recommend using leadcore. You can troll on a precise depth based on speed. Troll artificial lures faster than bait.

I've never used lead core so I am not sure what that's all about. I was using a 30# braid with #2 Planer with a 15ft floro leader trolling at 2mph.

I also have a #3 planer that I didn't use that day. I may try it next time. But will definitely slow troll live herring.

[Captiva]

Originally Posted by Capspath83

I've never used lead core so I am not sure what that's all about. I was using a 30# braid with #2 Planer with a 15ft floro leader trolling at 2mph.

I also have a #3 planer that I didn't use that day. I may try it next time. But will definitely slow troll live herring.

If you fish still water trout consistently, a lead core set up is a good investment and I swear by it for trout and salmon. You can get a cheap conventional reel (preferably with a line counter) and spool it with 18lb leadcore and a 6 lb fluorocarbon leader about 8' or 9' long. The depth control is excellent and based on trolling speed - 1 mph sinks 14' per color, 1.5 mph sinks at 10' per color, and 2 mph sinks at 7' per color so you will know exactly where your bait or lure is being presented.

It is hard to establish a stocked landlocked salmon fishery anywhere and NJDEP does a great job managing the cold water fishery in these salmon lakes. Hoping to see more 20"+ fish in the future - the forage base is really good in all those lakes so hoping that they grow big!

[briansnat]

Originally Posted by Capspath83

I've never used lead core so I am not sure what that's all about. I was using a 30# braid with #2 Planer with a 15ft floro leader trolling at 2mph.

I also have a #3 planer that I didn't use that day. I may try it next time. But will definitely slow troll live herring.

Here is really good value for a trolling outfit. I was impressed with the quality for the price. Add some lead core line, use a floro leader and you are set. I think the common wisdom for lead core is that you are down 5 feet per color. But that will vary with your lure and trolling speed.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/fishi..._SEQ_104653080

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by Capspath83

Hey Bob, do they normally stay down around 25ft all year? just curious. I would think as the weather turns during the seasons, they would come up closer. to the surface I was thinking they would be down deeper than 25ft in this heat.

Just since I am going to go in late september/early october again

Typically they are where the bait is... In small NJ lakes I think the thermocline is around 25 down in mid summer.. Herring will be there as they are not fond of warm water, and the salmonids will be near the bait pods.. I am no longer in NJ, so I am am NOT an expert, but typically when the water temps drop in fall, the fish will be more readily caught near the surface and close to shore.. Here in NY state on GIANT lakes that hold salmon and trout as well as Alewives/Herring/Sawbellies, there are ALWAYS fish that relate to the bait pods all year long .. However some will wander about away from the bait pods in the cooler more comfortable water.. They can be caught on spoons spinners, jigs etc.. Although live bait is deadly on Waywayanda, you simply don't cover a lot of water.. Nothing beats trolling in or around the thermocline with spoons on any lake with trout or salmon,, Lots more fish are exposed to your offering.. I would bet trolling with Dipsey Divers with spoons the shape of a herring would be a good way to get started, but I'll let the NJ guys give a definitive answer... bob

[Capspath83]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Typically they are where the bait is... In small NJ lakes I think the thermocline is around 25 down in mid summer.. Herring will be there as they are not fond of warm water, and the salmonids will be near the bait pods.. I am no longer in NJ, so I am am NOT an expert, but typically when the water temps drop in fall, the fish will be more readily caught near the surface and close to shore.. Here in NY state on GIANT lakes that hold salmon and trout as well as Alewives/Herring/Sawbellies, there are ALWAYS fish that relate to the bait pods all year long .. However some will wander about away from the bait pods in the cooler more comfortable water.. They can be caught on spoons spinners, jigs etc.. Although live bait is deadly on Waywayanda, you simply don't cover a lot of water.. Nothing beats trolling in or around the thermocline with spoons on any lake with trout or salmon,, Lots more fish are exposed to your offering.. I would bet trolling with Dipsey Divers with spoons the shape of a herring would be a good way to get started, but I'll let the NJ guys give a definitive answer... bob

Definitely will use this to get started! Thanks much!

[Struck24]

Thanks for all the info! Definitely going to help me. Any idea on best time of day? I was planning on being there as they open at 8am

[Capspath83]

Originally Posted by Struck24

Thanks for all the info! Definitely going to help me. Any idea on best time of day? I was planning on being there as they open at 8am

If you need to rent a boat like me, go at 8am. I didn't want to risk them not having one for me. I also didn't want to risk not getting into the park.

I rented for the entire day ($80) and was there for 5 hours. definitely got my moneys worth since I would have had to pay $150 if I did hourly.

I cannot give you much insight as to time of day really, I saw a kayaker pick one up about 9:30 in the front hole by the beach and then I started catching in the back hole around noon

[Captiva]

For time of day, I've always found the solunar calendar periods best for trout and salmon, but focus early morning in the hot weather.