Field Test Report - Canyon HS- 16

[tropics]

WOW I just sent Don an email telling him I would see him at the show so I will see you also. Great report.
UM wonder if he does trade ins

[Gerry Zagorski]

I wonder why he is not a sponsor here

[HDMarc]

Tom at Jersey Coast tackle in Brick was endorsing Canyon Reels big time last year. As it stands, I'm not sure if he is back in his shop yet since the storm hit. I bought the HS-15 from him and have to say it is a great little reel. After reading Alex's report, I might add the 16 to my arsenal.

[triangler]

Are they still made in china,,,,

[JerseyCoast]

Gerry,
I do not want to speak for Don, but I can tell you that it seems he has become wise to sponsoring these forums that allow people to come up on them and trash his products. I know that you do not play that game here on NJ Fishing and I have mentioned it to him in the past. I will talk to him this weekend at Somerset.
I think he just has a bad taste from other forums. Maybe you guys should talk.

HDMarc,
We are open and we are here for another season it seems. I still do back the reels and we are also a warranty center for anyone with issues. If it makes you guys feel better, you can come have any issues resolved at my place. No mailing needed.

Originally Posted by triangler

Are they still made in china,,,,

Triangler, the following post is not intended for you only. Its a general post, with some factual information, not lies and rumors. If it offends you, I am sorry, but its not meant for you alone.
This is one of the issues Don and I are tired of addressing over and over. Lets get something straight, they are NOT MADE IN CHINA as the claim here is making. The frames are made overseas, yes. There are plenty of parts in that reel that come from other areas of the world, INCLUDING THE USA!

You will find copy cats that are made 100% in China. The truth is, in order to protect Canyon and the sneaky back stabbing that happens in this business, when it all started we ( yes, I was a part of Canyon for the first 2 years) made a strategic move to use other parts and do the final assembly here in NJ, in our shops, homes, garages, etc.... to protect the product. As you all see, you can buy a reel that looks like a Canyon for less money, but its going to most likely fail and not last as long or perform as well as the Canyon product. I knew this would happen going in and we decided to protect ourselves from people who will sell out for an extra buck. We also found superior parts from other manufacturers that worked better, so it was no brainer to modify the OEM reels.

It all played out just like I knew it would and look what happened....... exactly what I said would happen....

Canyon Reels have their assembly done right here in NJ. While some parts are made overseas, others are not. Many of the "reviews: done by others with websites that feature them, were done on test and sample reels and many of the so called reviews are not accurate. I have seen professional reviews done on a Canyon that had another reel company's name on it!! There is just so much false garbage being spread by other manufacturers that worried about Canyon. The same people who told Canyon they would not survive 2 years.........

Hers is my 2 cents on the guys who have an association with another reel maker and come up here and try to knock Canyon.......
1- Good luck finding the same 2 YEAR WARRANTY from the cheap knock offs!
2- Good luck getting a $3 part in 5 years for your reel
3- Good Luck getting the customer service that Canyon has proven to offer
4- Do some more home work before you continue to come up and spread lies about a product. Or at the very least tell everyone who you are. My name is on the bottom of every post I make. Without your true identity, I cant take your word for anything other than a competitor that is trying to bash his competition while hiding behind a screen name.

CANYON HAS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE MADE IN THE USA!!! THEY HAVE ALWAYS CLAIMED TO BE ASSEMBLED IN THE USA! Some people like to twist that, as they hide behind a screen name. As I have told Don many times.....if people are trying to hurt you, it means you have done something right!

I have been using Canyon Reels for over 5 years now and I still use them today! I have my choice and I have 2 companies that want me on their team, but I am still with Canyon because I believe in the small guy offering better service and better products. I no longer have any part of the actual company. I have no financial stake in Canyon at all. I use them because I KNOW how well they work!

I will be in their booth this weekend for the Saltwater Expo. Anyone with concerns should stop by and speak to Don.

[njboarder]

Originally Posted by JerseyCoast

This is one of the issues Don and I are tired of addressing over and over. Lets get something straight, they are NOT MADE IN CHINA as the claim here is making. The frames are made overseas, yes. There are plenty of parts in that reel that come from other areas of the world, INCLUDING THE USA!

You will find copy cats that are made 100% in China. The truth is, in order to protect Canyon and the sneaky back stabbing that happens in this business, when it all started we ( yes, I was a part of Canyon for the first 2 years) made a strategic move to use other parts and do the final assembly here in NJ, in our shops, homes, garages, etc.... to protect the product. As you all see, you can buy a reel that looks like a Canyon for less money, but its going to most likely fail and not last as long or perform as well as the Canyon product. I knew this would happen going in and we decided to protect ourselves from people who will sell out for an extra buck. We also found superior parts from other manufacturers that worked better, so it was no brainer to modify the OEM reels.

CANYON HAS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE MADE IN THE USA!!! THEY HAVE ALWAYS CLAIMED TO BE ASSEMBLED IN THE USA! Some people like to twist that, as they hide behind a screen name. As I have told Don many times.....if people are trying to hurt you, it means you have done something right!

JC, I was one of those who questioned Canyon a year or two ago.
I see that you are still claiming Canyon is assembled in the U.S. with different internals which makes it far superior than the cheap Chinese knockoffs.

When you initially came to Canyon's rescue, you seemed like a legit guy and I tried my best to believe you.
However, as a frugal buyer, I always do my homework to make sure I am not wasting my hard earned money on garbage.
Unfortunately, the more I looked around, it seemed very obvious Canyon was not 100% honest about their product. Nothing angers me more than dishonesty.

Here is a little reading material. Just one of few I found.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/cny65.html

Now, before you attempt to discredit Alan, note that he's making his claim based on fact and hard data to prove. What have you got besides your same old story?

I am just not sure if you were misinformed, or you are in it together with Canyon, but I suggest you do some research before standing up for a company such as Canyon, as it could taint your reputation.

By the way, since you are so paranoid with competitors trying to hurt Canyon while hiding behine a screen name, my name is Jo J, not associated with any tacke mfg, and if you wanna meet me in person, you'll find me bottom fishing on various sponsor boats as well as tuna/tile fishing on Voyager and Big J. Wish I could stop by the booth this weekend, but can't make it there this week due to other arrangements. And no, I'm not afraid to show my ugly mug..

[MVP]

Do not no why people out there are always trying to stir the pot and look for controvesy. I do not really care myself about were parts are sourced or were reels are assembled. I am just looking for a quality product at a reasonable price that company will stand behind in case of any issues that may arise. In my opinion this product met all those criteria.

I would not recommend a product unless i fished it hard myself before making any type of recomendation. Just like in my line of work i am an Independent contractor and do not recieve a salary from anyone. I am hired for my expertise to inform customers on what all their options are and to give customer an honest opinion on what solutions will best meets their needs and goals. Credibilty means everything.

I am not affiliated with Canyon or any other tackle manufacturer. I am just a guy who likes to fish just like many of our members here on NJfishing. I like making an informed decision when I purchase tackle and appreciate any reviews on tackle especiallly when it is done indepently with no strings attached. I love my avet SX's, Diawa Saltiga 30. abu garcia Revo Winch /Inshore, Accurate 197, squider 146, Jigging Master, shimano (trinidad 10A, Tallica 16, TLD 5, TLD 50, baitrunners and now Canyon HS 16). Every reel has it place based on targeted species, mono vs braid and angler preference.

Just wanted to inform members that they have another choice that is worth looking at. After taking a look themselves they can make an educated decision as to weather it makes sense for them or not. That is what is great about the upcoming show in Somerset as most of the top tackle manufatures will be present for you to play with their toys.

If you have a question about my review or questions about reel fell free to post or call me directly. If you are here to just stir the pott and not add any value please take your comments offline or eslewhere.

Alex
MVP
201-741-1823

[JerseyCoast]

Originally Posted by njboarder

JC, I was one of those who questioned Canyon a year or two ago.
I see that you are still claiming Canyon is assembled in the U.S. with different internals which makes it far superior than the cheap Chinese knockoffs.

When you initially came to Canyon's rescue, you seemed like a legit guy and I tried my best to believe you.
However, as a frugal buyer, I always do my homework to make sure I am not wasting my hard earned money on garbage.
Unfortunately, the more I looked around, it seemed very obvious Canyon was not 100% honest about their product. Nothing angers me more than dishonesty.

Here is a little reading material. Just one of few I found.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/cny65.html

Now, before you attempt to discredit Alan, note that he's making his claim based on fact and hard data to prove. What have you got besides your same old story?

I am just not sure if you were misinformed, or you are in it together with Canyon, but I suggest you do some research before standing up for a company such as Canyon, as it could taint your reputation.

By the way, since you are so paranoid with competitors trying to hurt Canyon while hiding behine a screen name, my name is Jo J, not associated with any tacke mfg, and if you wanna meet me in person, you'll find me bottom fishing on various sponsor boats as well as tuna/tile fishing on Voyager and Big J. Wish I could stop by the booth this weekend, but can't make it there this week due to other arrangements. And no, I'm not afraid to show my ugly mug..

Let me start here by saying there are 2 reasons I answer these negative Canyon threads.
1- 50% of the public feels that no reply is an admission to guilt
2- My so called "paranoia" is based on facts. Some of which happened before any of you even heard the name Canyon Reels. ( this industry is one of the most "cut throat" industries out there! I have been threatened, denied products because I refuse to back others. ( how many fishermen know that many of the big brands are ALL owned by a single mother company? )

I have a union job that I have held for 23.5 years, so I do not need to sell products to make a living. The truth is, as long as I have this other job, my shop is costing me money, not making me money. This is a poor business plan, but its one that allows me to be an honest person and not have to look over my shoulder. I do not have to lie to pay my bills.

As for being called a liar, I will publicly say that if this is how you feel, I can come up here publicly and say YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! The reason I walked away from Canyon was because my wife & kids were tired of me bringing reels home and not having any time at all for them. I just did not have the time to do my real job, the tackle shop & the reels! So if your going to say I did not spend endless hours assembling reels, well ...... your wrong brother. You have half the facts and no clue as to the real story.

As far as Allan, if you read the post, my issue is with the origin of the products reviewed, not Allan. There are many models available since I left and I do not have ALL of the facts on them, but I defend the products I know. I will say it again, the reels I know about, were and still are assembled here in NJ prior to being sold to the public. Remember, these reels were being used years before any of you even heard the name Canyon Reels. Unfortunately, some of the test reels made their way to people that could send them to others and this caused a bit of an issue.

From the start, there were some very upset people when Canyon was announced. My reason for helping start the company was in part because of another companies rep that threatened me and talked to me like a child! He knows who he is and I am not going to mention the company. The 2nd reason was to offer a powerful reel out of the box, with good service to back it up.

Canyon Reels are not the same OEM reels you guys claim they are. If they were, they would have been out of business, like most of the brands who started up with a similar reel. There were changes needed in these reels and they were made. Any part of business is customer service and to date Canyon has been offering it.

Mixed reviews......absolutely! Just like any other brand! There will be mixed feelings in the future too. No reel can claim they have NEVER had an issue with performance, or a reel break!

Canyon is growing in areas where the US Marketing Money is not spent and theres a reason for that: they work!

Watch Gaff Life each week with Capt. Jimmy Nelson. He has been using Canyon all season long on fish from 1lb to 400lbs.

I cant lie.......every time a negative Canyon thread appears, I also get hit with a rush of people who want to buy them too. Yes I admit that. But thats not the reason I defend them.
I defend them because I have been using them 5+ years and will look anyone of you in the eye and tell you that my 2 favorite brands are Canyon & Daiwa! ( aside from a few models made by other companies, Canyon & Daiwa are the 2 that I will use and suggest to my customers, for just about everything )

As for people doing their homework....... go back and look at how many of these "other brands" no longer sell the same reels. Yet Canyon continues to come out with new models. Like I said before...... I knew all of this would surface and become an issue. That's why Canyon does it the way they do. If they were to announce every detail, they would only be helping their competition build a better reel. Who in their right mind spend years of work and money, only to help another company out?

I can send out a look alike of just about 85% of the reels made to somebody and find something wrong with them. Things as simple as a bearing, drag, grease, screws, alignment, all make a difference when a reel is put to the test. Simply weighing parts and measuring parts is not the only way to evaluate a reel! You have to use it and compare it! Unfortunately, there is nobody who does that today! We base all of our trust on measurements, not performance!

I am not calling anyone a liar. I will question your facts, but I am only defending the facts when I defend Canyon. Its not a contest. It would be easier for me to sell the latest & greatest that you all see on the magazine covers if it were all about money! How many dealers stick with their products? How many dealers sell the latest thing made? You get my point here? With me its not about the dollar. I will not be able to run my tackle shop the way it should be run for another 2 years. Its a passion for me, not a business. You are not going to find all of the latest & greatest in my place. You will find mostly custom made tackle and the same products that were there 3, 4, 5 years ago..... because they work and my customers are happy!

I do not have to lie to make money. You can question me as a truthful person all you want, but thats the beauty of the way I am doing things. NOTHING is gonna sneak up and bite me down the road.

I will talk about them privately if you like. If you want to base all of your findings on a review by one person, thats cool...... but its kind of narrow minded. There was a bit of foul play years back with some of that. ( not by Alan, but by others)