Is it just me...?

[RussH]

ORIGINAL POST BY CAPTAINTB

Wrong. 100% wrong. 1000% wrong. The whole point was to get science paid for with private money where gov't money did not exist. Since the average joe is not gonna just fork over thousands of dollars to pay for research, the fish that were set aside ahead of time (before any allocation was done or the fishing year began) are auctioned off. This is how the money is raised to pay for the research. The boats that purchase the fish are taking the risk that when the time comes to use those pounds of fish that they paid for that the "price is right". For a commercial boat that means the price per pound at market for a for-hire boat that means will enough people come to offset the inititial purchase price.

This isn't just some special permit that let's you fish indefinitely.

Icepants

Apparently you do not understand how this works or how our regs work.

Some magical permit was not simply purchased to allow fishing to continue. No such permit exists and no money exchanged hands to get the scientific exemption permit. Neither the state nor the federal government gets one red cent of RSA money. It is used to pay for the research projects.

Now on to this "closed is closed" stuff. The season length is based on our, amongst other things, the amount of quota we have to fish on vs. the avg. catch per day. (much more complicated than that but you get the idea)

The fish being caught by the boats that paid for RSA quota are not getting something special or something extra. They too are fishing on quota. Scientifically allowed quota. Fish that were always meant to be harvested. Difference is these fish (up to 3% of the total quota) were set aside to help fund and/or be used in research projects that would not have otherwise been done had they not been paid for by boats buying the quota.

It is amusing to say the least that all the self righteous come out of the woodwork now that recreational anglers can finally harvest the quota they have been donating to research for over a decade. But, when it was only commercial boats harvesting OUR QUOTA TOO no one said a word for the last ten or 15 years.

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I like this explanation. Aren't you guys related? Because those are far opposite views.

[CaptTB]

I am so bored with the conspiracy theories.

Yes, you are right folks this is just another tax

First off ladies and gents, there is no magic permit you buy or spend 3000 dollars on. The permit has nothing to do with the RSA program and is a scientific exemption permit that is issued for any vessel, commercial, recreational or research that is harvesting fish for any purpose at any time outside of the normal regs. They existed before the RSA program and they will exist after the RSA program.

The permits are FREE.

Let me repeat this for all who STILL do not understand this program. The permits have NOTHING TO DO with the RSA program other than the state must issue it.....FOR FREE....so you can harvest the RSA quota or do ANY OTHER TYPE OF RESEACRH OR HARVEST FOR A MILLION DIFFERENT REASONS.

What is PAID FOR is the small percentage of quota that is set aside each year to fund research. No one was forced to buy it, no one ever bitched when only the commercial sector paid the money that funded the research and in return got to harvest those pounds and try to make back their money plus perhaps even a profit (god forbid)

No one bitched when the percentage of recreational quota was being harvested by only commercials. This specific program has been going on since 2002 folks, thanks for joining us.

Now that we can actually have recreational fishermen harvest the very same quota they donated to fund research projects, people are all up in arms.

Now, to my cousin Bobby.

Bob, remember that slot limit study we did on several different boats throughout the state including yours back in 2006? The one where you fished a bunch of trips at different regs?

Where do you think the money came from to fund the VERY FIRST RECREATIONAL RESEARCH PROJECT???

You guessed it, the RSA program.

Wanna know where the money came from to fund two of the most recent Fluke studies that are helping contribute to the work SSFFF is doing?

You guessed it, the RSA program.

But yes, it is a conspiracy.

If you folks want, show up at the damn MAFMC meeting that has happened every year for the past 9 years and tell them you would rather have the extra 2 days or so of fishing that quota would give you if added back into the total state quota. Tell them the MILLIONS of dollars of research that has been done over the past decade was not worth your two or three frigging days of fishing. We are talking no more than 3% of the total quota (that's rec and commercial combined)

As far as Fluke goes that would mean 3% is taken off the top. If you want it back, then recs get 40% of that 3%, of which NJ gets 39% of that 40%.

That's it ladies and gents. And, this is not some"test" by the gov't to see what they can charge for since
THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GET ONE FRIGGIN' DIME OF THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

So those "bastards" that are charging you are the ****ing scientists!!!!!!! You know, the universities and research facilities that are doing the science we have all been screaming for. They get 100% of the funds raised from this program

[RussH]

What I noticed, Tony, is that the people getting overly excited are the Fishermen who own boats and don't go on PB's. And the PB owners who didn't pay to participate in RSA. Those excluded are the ones most offended.

As a 50/50 charter/pb fishermen, and having double checked what you told us. I'm thrilled to have this opportunity to fish more, AND knowing that my money is going towards not only my favorite boats, but towards a better understanding of how we can manage our fisheries and still have our favorite hobbies. It's pretty cool in my opinion. And it's 3 weeks of one type of fish. Not that huge a deal I think.

[JonDevin]

Originally Posted by RussH

What I noticed, Tony, is that the people getting overly excited are the Fishermen who own boats and don't go on PB's. And the PB owners who didn't pay to participate in RSA. Those excluded are the ones most offended.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion. I, for one, spend mucho dollars on PB's and Charters, but do have my own Kayak.

Originally Posted by RussH

As a 50/50 charter/pb fishermen, and having double checked what you told us. I'm thrilled to have this opportunity to fish more, AND knowing that my money is going towards not only my favorite boats, but towards a better understanding of how we can manage our fisheries and still have our favorite hobbies. It's pretty cool in my opinion. And it's 3 weeks of one type of fish. Not that huge a deal I think.

There seems to be a connection between the program and the government, albeit a subtle one. I do believe this is just another tax. It's a tax that directly funds research that helps us. With that said, I believe it's our own responsibility to take care of our own... and that means supporting various agencies and organizations that do the research we need and fight for our cause. But I don't believe it should be a tax that doesn't allow all boats to compete equally. Sure they have equal rights to compete for the RSA quota, but they all can't have the quota. That means some fish and some don't. It all just seems very Machiavellian to me.

[bunker dunker]

i love the "goverment won't get a dime" thing.they get a cut on everything and
unless you are gonna follow that money yourself{and please don't show me on
paper because print don't mean sh*t.its just another tax.

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

i love the "goverment won't get a dime" thing.they get a cut on everything and
unless you are gonna follow that money yourself{and please don't show me on
paper because print don't mean sh*t.its just another tax.

Wrong. I love how you add the "don't show me on paper" so no matter what any says or shows you your fantasy conspiracy theory can remain intact.

If you automatically refuse to see or hear or read any evidence to the contrary then you can never be wrong and no one can ever burst your bubble.

The simple fact is that the law does not even allow them to receive any of the money. Unless the law is changed that cannot change. So, for at least the moment you are 100% incorrect.

[bunker dunker]

that is just the way i see it.this state is broke and they will do everything they can to get money.i do belive what people say or wright as long as its from the right people.i don't mean to offend,its just that our goverment lets to much ILLEGAL this go on and come in to this country.we have had poor eco
times and no one ever tried for a sw licence.

[jigman90]

Originally Posted by RussH

What I noticed, Tony, is that the people getting overly excited are the Fishermen who own boats and don't go on PB's. And the PB owners who didn't pay to participate in RSA. Those excluded are the ones most offended.

As a 50/50 charter/pb fishermen, and having double checked what you told us. I'm thrilled to have this opportunity to fish more, AND knowing that my money is going towards not only my favorite boats, but towards a better understanding of how we can manage our fisheries and still have our favorite hobbies. It's pretty cool in my opinion. And it's 3 weeks of one type of fish. Not that huge a deal I think.

with opions like this Russ is why we have screwed up fluke fishing laws now!
I've fished along side of you and I can't belive your comments ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU KNOW I own my own boat and fish on PB ALSO
GREEDY FISHERMAN 3 EXTRA WEEKS FOR YOU AND NOTHING FOR MY GRAND CHILD!!

[shrimpman steve]

Originally Posted by jigman90

GREEDY FISHERMAN 3 EXTRA WEEKS FOR YOU AND NOTHING FOR MY GRAND CHILD!!

NOT TRUE, you can bring your grand son (or daughter) on an RSA trip and help donate to research! The set aside is there any way, so use it! They have been doing this in NY for Years. In my opinion it is about time the NJ boats took advantge of the program. But what do I know being you don't respect my opinion anyway.

[RussH]

Originally Posted by jigman90

with opions like this Russ is why we have screwed up fluke fishing laws now!
I've fished along side of you and I can't belive your comments ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU KNOW I own my own boat and fish on PB ALSO
GREEDY FISHERMAN 3 EXTRA WEEKS FOR YOU AND NOTHING FOR MY GRAND CHILD!!

If you've fished with me then you'd know me to be fairly level headed, and at least moderately intelligent. I wasn't trying to say ALL private boat owners are upset with RFA and don't fish party boats. I was making a generalization about my personal experiences thus far.

I'm not looking to fight, but I don't think you can call us greedy fishermen for supporting the RSA boats. The quota is there, they bought it, why not support them for supporting research?