Nj & NY Different Striper Regulations? Ok for Bass unfair for Fluke?

[dales529]

Originally Posted by jmurr711

excuse me?

Figured you would respond Joey! Just kidding and hey you represent philly well, Congrats on your recent tog success and the pretzels are to die for!
All the best.

[dales529]

On a serious note this is a great post and Thanks Capt Jerry for starting it. Always good to hear the many for hire guys weigh in and glad you (Jerry P) started the discussion.

'I think you are absolutely correct about the unnecessary confusion the different regs can cause but what else is new. Not sure exactly why NJ went this way except its a way to meet the reduction, not piss off the factors that wanted a one fish limit and offer the factors that wanted 2 fish an option however we all know it amounts to a one fish limit in part.

I also agree with statement about the data, science or total lack thereof which creates all this regulation speculation that is now our lives. Its tough to know what or who to fight anymore .

Actually I give Chuck Schumer credit (although I am not a fan of regionalization) for getting his NY constituents what they wanted and wish NJ had politicians with the power and / or guts to do the same.

Many have posted that we need money for a lobbyist and compare to the NRA and what they have achieved. We have a federal lobbyist in RFA and local lobbyist in RFA -NJ along with many other groups. I cant speak for other groups but RFA national and RFA NJ has lobbied our politicians on both sides of the aisle for a long time. You can google "Lobbyists RFA " and see the contributions over the years ( approx. 1.3 million).

Granted we haven't gotten much and again what do we fight for and where do you put the money? Seems like the main fight should be reform of Magnuson Stevens as that is the only way to force them to use better data/ science and stop species closures without representation.

This again is where its more political than fishing conservation as we all want to save the fish but not put fishermen out of business and we all have no clue as to what species are in trouble or not. Having said that to mimic the NRA is hard because their membership / donations are pretty much a one topic discussion, you either believe in gun rights or you don't. With fishermen there is always debate on certain species, seasons, areas, fishing rights groups, Pots , commercial etc where we don't agree at all and that's why we cant ever mimic NRA fund raising. No one agrees on what or why to fight for.

So whats next? If a general fundraiser was established for both NJ and Federal lobbying say a pay pal account where you could donate as little as $5.00 to whatever and (lets start small) everyone on this saltwater site gave $5 to fight for Magnuson Stevens reform would you?

[Gerry Zagorski]

Count me in.

[Reel Class]

Originally Posted by dales529

so whats next? If a general fundraiser was established for both nj and federal lobbying say a pay pal account where you could donate as little as $5.00 to whatever and (lets start small) everyone on this saltwater site gave $5 to fight for magnuson stevens reform would you?

i'm in

[Short Cast]

I have an proposal that might make the different regs livable. & this could work where any two state share fishing grounds. The state would have to add to there regulations that within 2-3 miles of their border a boat launched from
an adjoining state it shall be legal to "possess" fish based on that states regulations, but you can only "take" fish based on the state you are fishing in's
regulations. This makes sense since the state are regulated on their catch which I believe is calculated on their landings.

[Capt. JJ]

"Capt. Jelly....it BIIIIIGG ocean out there! You put more black color fish in boat, no stripe fish allowed!!!!!!"

[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by dales529

On a serious note this is a great post and Thanks Capt Jerry for starting it. Always good to hear the many for hire guys weigh in and glad you (Jerry P) started the discussion.

'I think you are absolutely correct about the unnecessary confusion the different regs can cause but what else is new. Not sure exactly why NJ went this way except its a way to meet the reduction, not piss off the factors that wanted a one fish limit and offer the factors that wanted 2 fish an option however we all know it amounts to a one fish limit in part.

I also agree with statement about the data, science or total lack thereof which creates all this regulation speculation that is now our lives. Its tough to know what or who to fight anymore .

Actually I give Chuck Schumer credit (although I am not a fan of regionalization) for getting his NY constituents what they wanted and wish NJ had politicians with the power and / or guts to do the same.

Many have posted that we need money for a lobbyist and compare to the NRA and what they have achieved. We have a federal lobbyist in RFA and local lobbyist in RFA -NJ along with many other groups. I cant speak for other groups but RFA national and RFA NJ has lobbied our politicians on both sides of the aisle for a long time. You can google "Lobbyists RFA " and see the contributions over the years ( approx. 1.3 million).

Granted we haven't gotten much and again what do we fight for and where do you put the money? Seems like the main fight should be reform of Magnuson Stevens as that is the only way to force them to use better data/ science and stop species closures without representation.

This again is where its more political than fishing conservation as we all want to save the fish but not put fishermen out of business and we all have no clue as to what species are in trouble or not. Having said that to mimic the NRA is hard because their membership / donations are pretty much a one topic discussion, you either believe in gun rights or you don't. With fishermen there is always debate on certain species, seasons, areas, fishing rights groups, Pots , commercial etc where we don't agree at all and that's why we cant ever mimic NRA fund raising. No one agrees on what or why to fight for.

So whats next? If a general fundraiser was established for both NJ and Federal lobbying say a pay pal account where you could donate as little as $5.00 to whatever and (lets start small) everyone on this saltwater site gave $5 to fight for Magnuson Stevens reform would you?

1.3million$ is a drop in the bucket compared to what the NRA gets. We also are going state by state with the RFA. What is good for us may not be good for Delaware or NY.We elected Christie and when we need him where is he? I wish we had a guy like Shumer representing NJ. When the moratorium on stripers went into effect years ago I thought it was the greatest thing that could happen for recreational fisherman. What we have lost in restrictions in that time is sad!

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

1.3million$ is a drop in the bucket compared to what the NRA gets. We also are going state by state with the RFA. What is good for us may not be good for Delaware or NY.We elected Christie and when we need him where is he? I wish we had a guy like Shumer representing NJ. When the moratorium on stripers went into effect years ago I thought it was the greatest thing that could happen for recreational fisherman. What we have lost in restrictions in that time is sad!

Exactly Sal, and to my point NRA generates the "full bucket" instead of a drop because they have mass nationwide members who agree with their mission (right or wrong). Our plight is a little different as all fishermen dont typically agree on the "mission" or who should be running the fight.

The idea is simple, starting with salt water members on this site and maybe a few fresh water ones we see how a general fundraiser would work or not. if there is any promise we go after the whole state via newspapers, fishing publications, major tackle and boating businesses etc. Depending on who you believe, fishermen in NJ alone are somewhere between 600,000 and over 1,000,000 ( hard to say as only 250,000 register on the saltwater registry but that's another issue to some) .
But lets say for argument sake all NJ fishermen kicked in $5.00 to buy us a politician ( again a whole other issue but apparently that's how it works)
Then add in all NJ fishing businesses etc and you could possibly raise some serious money to get a politicians / lobbyists attention.
That's NJ then if it snowballed you go after the whole east coast and make some noise with NRA type dollars.

It all has to start somewhere and from small ideas maybe bigger things can happen. After all its $5.00.

Doubt it will work but worth an effort and I agree with you "where is Mr Christie" and our other elected officials.

Thanks for your input

[Capt. Jerry P]

Originally Posted by dales529

Exactly Sal, and to my point NRA generates the "full bucket" instead of a drop because they have mass nationwide members who agree with their mission (right or wrong). Our plight is a little different as all fishermen dont typically agree on the "mission" or who should be running the fight.

The idea is simple, starting with salt water members on this site and maybe a few fresh water ones we see how a general fundraiser would work or not. if there is any promise we go after the whole state via newspapers, fishing publications, major tackle and boating businesses etc. Depending on who you believe, fishermen in NJ alone are somewhere between 600,000 and over 1,000,000 ( hard to say as only 250,000 register on the saltwater registry but that's another issue to some) .
But lets say for argument sake all NJ fishermen kicked in $5.00 to buy us a politician ( again a whole other issue but apparently that's how it works)
Then add in all NJ fishing businesses etc and you could possibly raise some serious money to get a politicians / lobbyists attention.
That's NJ then if it snowballed you go after the whole east coast and make some noise with NRA type dollars.

It all has to start somewhere and from small ideas maybe bigger things can happen. After all its $5.00.

Doubt it will work but worth an effort and I agree with you "where is Mr Christie" and our other elected officials.

Thanks for your input

Least it's a idea or thought... gotta give u credit for that... bc complaining, telling war stories from 40 years ago and threatening to b a pirate clearly isnt the answer.

People don't even know where to give money too even if they wanted to... and let's face the fact that no one really likes to talk about... many people / customers are just disgusted with the whole ordeal over the years... how could u have faith in any of the fisheries councils, meeting or groups that fight for us. It's meant with no disrespect The fact it is not working... i know people work countless volunteer hrs and travel all over but doesn't change the end result. Sorry Im younger and maybe look at it different than some older than me but look at the regulations changes over the last 10-15 years. Big failure...

[Gerry Zagorski]

The one thing we all have working against us now more then ever, is the enviro extremists and other special interest groups like them. Just like the NRA, they are not splitered like us and have one simple goal and that is to totally eliminate fishing and hunting.

These groups are very well organized and funded and they fight on a federal and state level. Take a look at whats happenend in California and all the MPAs (Marine Protected Areas) and restrictions there. Entire swatches of oceans, bays and rivers have been closed down to fishing. Can you imagine that happening in a place like the Shrewsbury Rocks or Raritan Bay?? It could if we simply roll over and let it.