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Re: Where the bay stripers went last year! Must read!!
Good point Sal. At the last council meeting a couple weeks ago, an idea was put out there on the Stripers.....1 fish at 24 inches, the second 34 and over!!
This is the same thing we had 4 years ago and it was a joke! Mind you, it was just a presentation, food for thought and impute from the public. The 24 would certainly help me, the 34 would kill us and a whole lot of bass in between, with way too many stressed out fish going back. It never makes any sense does it!! |
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Ultimately, the question is as a recreational captain, could you make more money if this fish is treated as a trophy or as a meat fish. For a 6 pack charter operation, with tighter limits, I think you'd have a better chance of getting fares into 35-36" fish day in and day out, rather than the current drill of relatively small fish. Personally, I think you'd get more charters if bigger fish were a more realistic possibility. People drop $400-500 for the experience, the feel and sound of a big fish pulling drag, the trophy photo, etc... not for 4 fillets of a marginal tasting fish. A friend of mine runs charters in Montauk. Doesn't keep a fish all Fall and is booked every day. Party boats are a thornier issue. They can't be as flexible as a 6 pack in where and how they fish for bass. They have been forced to treat bass like meat fish due to getting regularly hosed on flounder, fluke, seabass, porgies, etc. The bass season gets longer and longer because the fluke season gets shorter and shorter. I don't want to put them out of business with regulations... I also don't want to see them put out of business because the bottom falls out of the fishery. |
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Fluke and seabass have always been panfish. I do think that the fluke fishery has actually improved drastically under the increased regs, however. WRT blackfish, I fish those a lot and have watched the stock quality decrease. I would be more than happy to see size limits bounced up to 16 or 17" and quantity kept at 4... slot limit would also get applause from me. Again, I have no financial stake in the game... which makes me different from a charter/party boat operation. My interest is quality of the fishery. Last edited by Slacker; 01-30-2010 at 10:04 AM.. |
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I haven't posted in awhile but do read almost everyday. My 2 cents is yes many not just illegals, are fishing and keeping though not sure how anyone can know each person fishing from public piers and docks are not legal citizens, many of us do at one time or another, my wife works in Hoboken and she as well as I walk the new park/pier their and do see many who fish that spot, many old timers many regulars, and many who yes keep small fish, I can guarrentee they all are not illegals as thought! But the police are always around and I'm sure the state knows about these waterfront fishing holes. I can attest to more short fish are being taken from private boats then private people off the shores, wish I had a nickle for everytime we were given the "salute" for yelling at somebody throwing a baby into the cooler!
I personally would like to see the slot bass come back the smaller bass are by far the better tasting, a 26" or 28" is nicer meat than a 34" or 40" by far, better taste better quality. And the bigger breeders are getting few and far between more because "I think" they are smarter than the smaller fish and realize, why keep going back to the spot we're harrassed each year, so I think they just find different, safer, quieter habitats to live and breed, a.k.a. why the upper Hudson is seeing less and less right?. Give us the 2 slot size again and maybe the bonus tag fish could be a 30" or 34"+ instead of just a 3rd fish. That may cover both sides of the issue maybe?. As for loosing customers, yes it's location, location, location, Montouge will always have that fan base just like here in Jersey, if you want say Bluefish you'll go to shark river or Pt. P not A.H. though they all go to the same basic spots, that's just how it is. The same as even getting down to what type of fishing you want will depend on what boat you go on, back bay verses channel fishing, and so on. Bottom line the economy weather anyone wants to admit it or not has hurt all aspects of our lives, many more than the lucky few, God bless those few. A good day for us and the PB Capts use to be 50-60 fares, the last couple years, now 20-30 fares the Capts are you know what in their you know whats! We all have to give and bend and stand up for our rights or else all of our boats will look like those NY PB as 2 days a week out with 5-6 fares on a 90ft boat! that is a sin!!! We all must do our part or nobody will be around! store owners, gas stations, rental owners, nobody, do we want to look like Sheepshead bay?? or some of these other towns? Yes we feel it because we live in Jersey but it's all over and fishing will become a thing of the past for most of us as did sports and seeing games live. I use to have season tickets for the Mets (in '86), i'd have to sell my house for 1 season of my old seats now. It's not an easy fight but we do have to adjust somewhere in the middle or we all will loose!
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Re: Where the bay stripers went last year! Must read!!
keep it simple, at 2 @28"
add a slot fish if the best avail science warrants (I don't think it does yet) keep the NJ bonus tag program, it's your option to participate or not as has been said the 34" rule will result in more dead from improper C&R |
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The idea that a larger size limit results in more dead fish is total bunk... and here is why. The number of fish hooked in a trip is not impacted by size limits. No one stops fishing just because they caught their limit. They can catch their limit in 10 minutes and then they keep fishing and releasing fish all day until the trip is over. If you catch 10 bass and (example 1) release all 10 OR (example 2) release 8 & put 2 in the cooler, you still have hooked 10 bass. So, if your hook mortality (fish that unintentionally die due to being hooked) is 10%: in example 1, you will have statistically sent away 1 floater (killed 1 fish). In example 2, you will have statistically sent away .8 floaters (gotta treat this as a dead one 'cause your either alive or dead - regardless of what the math might say) and have 2 dead ones in the box (killed 3 fish - your 2 in the box and 1 due to hook mortality). The idea that a smaller size limit actually SAVES fish would hold water ONLY if people caught their limit and then had to go sit in the cabin. |
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I also fish on many party boats and come home with nothing but do catch fish that go back.. like 27 1/2" too small and crindge each time. If i am on my buddies boat the same thing happens also with the fluke!!! I only keep whats legal and I close my eyes when putting a 17 7/8" flike over the side/ I dod not support the report but only did not know they were taking bass out of the river. Also the shad is alsmost gone due to pressuers and also in the Delawere river where thousand of our dollare went to bring the shad back in that river but are takine in the ocean... So where does it all stop when there is no fish to get? Our rec money goes to bring the fish back and the rec fisherman are the ones that keep taking it on the chin! So are the conercial guys also taking the fish out of the Hudson where it hit the bay also?
We all got to keep informed on what NY is doing because it sttects NJ waters also!!!!!!!!!!!!!! keeping informed is the olly way we can stop the dum crap the special groups restrict us all! |
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Re: Where the bay stripers went last year! Must read!!
Why is the post not coning up as being posted today????
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