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Re: Weakfish meeting
Kensdock,
Clearly based on what I've read, you say things without any facts to back up your assertions, as well as omitting key points. With all due respect, I can't take either your advice or comments seriously. |
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Kensdock,
Your background is so different than mine. I have no family history of fishing and I started recreational saltwater fishing late in life. What I do in order to form my opinion is to read through meeting minutes, stock assessments and public comments. In the end, I didn’t agree with a moratorium for weakfish at this time. |
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A lot of folks did not agree with a moratorium at this time PBAngler – that’s because scientists and fisheries researchers say the decline in weakfish biomass is reflective of a rise in natural mortality, not fishing mortality. In other words, science doesn’t support a moratorium as it would have little impact on the overall stability of the stock.
RFA doesn’t support the use of arbitrary, unsubstantiated and nonscientific information and ideology in closing down fisheries. How could we? Guys like Ken would rather you listen to his views exclusively than read our specific position statements on weakfish, or anyone else’s for that matter. When Ken starts getting behind in an argument, he turns to personal attacks and innuendo - typical schoolyard bully behavior, “if you don’t give me your ball I’ll beat you up.” I’ve never met the guy, but from what he’s written about himself I understand his fishing exploits are quite legendary. People don’t follow the RFA blindly – our members understand that our folks are in the trenches everyday dealing with mudslinging, rhetoric, slander and misinformation from the outer reaches. Every message board in America has a Kensdock trying to close and protect some fishery. There’s a BillfishBilly in the Southeast trying to make marlin a catch and release only fishery, Striperswiper wants to make striped bass only accessible to anglers who throw artificials, while GiantTagger wants to make bluefin an endangered species. Add it all up, and you can see where the divisive tactics can take its toll on a community. Once it gets personal and off the topic at hand, I’m out. Good luck folks! |
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The overwhelming majority of recreational fishermen voiced their support of the moratorium option. “The Board received a significant amount of public comment supporting a coastwide moratorium. In recognition of this, it chose to implement measures that would discourage directed fishing, limit bycatch mortality, and ensure that critical sampling programs remain on track,” stated Board Chair Roy Miller. |
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PROCEEDINGS OF THE ATLANTIC STATES MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION WEAKFISH MANAGEMENT BOARD - August 19, 2009 DR. DANIEL: “My whole career has been focused in on weakfish and now we’ve made a big circle. I do want to say a couple of things from the North Carolina perspective.” “I do have to say I do have a great amount of concern. A lot of you around this table recall the proposal to close the EEZ to weakfish harvest back in the mid-nineties. We vigorously opposed that suggestion because of the multi-species nature of the fisheries off North Carolina and I think some of the other states as well.” “The sink net fleet will still be operating in the same areas at the same time catching the same fish. They’re just going to have to discard all the weakfish.” “… but there are also going to be some inside fisheries as well as gillnet fisheries that can have very high quantities of bycatch of weakfish unknowingly. The last example I’ll give you is the Valentine’s Day Fishery back in 2002, I believe, when a group of about four or five sink net boats went about 30 miles offshore in 360 feet of water, fishing a large-mesh, six-inch gill net for large bluefish, and they all rounded off their boats with tens of thousands of pounds of eight- to fifteen-pound gray trout; very unexpected, unavoidable. Those fish were all dead …” MR. O’REILLY "Given that, I’m going to spend just a minute here, if you don’t mind, but on the moratorium idea I clearly remember in 1991 and the proposal of the technical committee to the management board was as long as you remove all the gear out of the water and do regional blocks of having gear out of the water a moratorium will be very effective." -------------------------------- Kensdock, Your idea of simply a moratorium was not going to get us much in the way of commercial reductions of dead fish as opposed to what they voted for. Unlike other recreational anglers who just believed what you had to say, I did my own research and reached a different conclusion. One that was more in alignment with the RFA's points. Time to move on, this has already been decided for now and there are a ton of important issues that need our attention today. Last edited by PBangler; 11-23-2009 at 12:14 PM.. |
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Speckled trout or specs as we call them in Cape May co. NJ did not show up this fall in any numbers for the first time in at lest fifty years. What do you think happened to them? |
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Did you sell recreationally caught weakfish ever? If so, you were part of the problem, IMHO. Last edited by PBangler; 11-23-2009 at 08:11 PM.. |
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Re: Hey Kensdock!
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“The Board received a significant amount of public comment supporting a coastwide moratorium. In recognition of this, it chose to implement measures that would discourage directed fishing, limit bycatch mortality, and ensure that critical sampling programs remain on track,” stated Board Chair Roy Miller. This was accomplished with out a paid staff, lawyers or a law suit. It was accomplished with the combined effort of individual anglers!! I hope in the future we continue to take the time to send our comments and make a phone call or two.If we do, no law or regulation will stand without the consent of the majority. |
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