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[Duffman]

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But not much to say 🤣
Just wanted to be part of the bitch fest

[Skolmann]

Originally Posted by 1captainron

Sounds like a pretty shitty boat, especially for the fact that you cannot sell fish in NJ. If the mates aren't making enough tips, they are either on the wrong boat or just shitty mates.

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[Ol Pedro]

Originally Posted by 1captainron

Sounds like a pretty shitty boat, especially for the fact that you cannot sell fish in NJ. If the mates aren't making enough tips, they are either on the wrong boat or just shitty mates.

Capt. Ron, you are blessed to have such a good crew. The boats that do the right thing, fish hard, and go the extra distance don't have to stoop to selling fish or other ways to fill in the pay gap. I bet that those same deck hands though talented don't work hard to start with. Tips like respect are earned not expected. I have known many talented crew members who got jaded and just did the minimum instead if grinding it out. They got comfortable and lost incentive.
All the best Captains and Crews that I have known LOVE TO FISH !

[bunker dunker]

its economics,plain and simple.some folks just can't afford to give any money away.its has nothing to do with "they no better" and everything to do with"we need every penny".a person wants to go fishing,he has to pay the fair,he has to buy food,pay for gas but whats the one thing he does not have to do????i think it stinks!!!!,i for one believe in taking care of the crew and always tip before we untie.its sad that things are no so expensive but these are the times we live in.

[dales529]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

its economics,plain and simple.some folks just can't afford to give any money away.its has nothing to do with "they no better" and everything to do with"we need every penny".a person wants to go fishing,he has to pay the fair,he has to buy food,pay for gas but whats the one thing he does not have to do????i think it stinks!!!!,i for one believe in taking care of the crew and always tip before we untie.its sad that things are no so expensive but these are the times we live in.

I understand completely what you are saying. I think every fisherperson has to include the 20% tip minimum to the fare plus lunch , gas etc and I think most do but if not dont get on the boat. We now tip 30% minimum on charters but thats us and we get everything you could ask for.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by dales529

I understand completely what you are saying. I think every fisherperson has to include the 20% tip minimum to the fare plus lunch , gas etc and I think most do but if not dont get on the boat. We now tip 30% minimum on charters but thats us and we get everything you could ask for.

That’s a slippery slope Dave. Alotta guys struggling in this economy. Many can fish but struggle with the extras as far as tipping. Personally I’d rather see a guy head out and pay the fare , tip less if he can’t afford it, than not go out at all. At least it’s a paid fare on the deck.

[reason162]

Originally Posted by Duffman

That’s a slippery slope Dave. Alotta guys struggling in this economy. Many can fish but struggle with the extras as far as tipping. Personally I’d rather see a guy head out and pay the fare , tip less if he can’t afford it, than not go out at all. At least it’s a paid fare on the deck.

I think the slippery slope is thinking 20% tip is optional. If you can't afford to tip 20%, you can't afford to go on the trip, period.

[bunker dunker]

and here in lies the problem.if that person has enough to go and wants to go,there going period.that person could care less what people think as he is getting his and thats what matters to them.i do not agree as i believe in tipping
and having been on that side,it s*&%s when you work a trip and have to split 86.00 at the end of the day.lets face it,the for hire fishing business is changing
at a crazy rate.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

and here in lies the problem.if that person has enough to go and wants to go,there going period.that person could care less what people think as he is getting his and thats what matters to them.i do not agree as i believe in tipping
and having been on that side,it s*&%s when you work a trip and have to split 86.00 at the end of the day.lets face it,the for hire fishing business is changing
at a crazy rate.

Yes a very difficult business, a lot easier ways to make a dollar for sure and a lot of things we don't see are the most difficult part of running these businesses. Repairs, maintenance, staffing not to mention all the drama on the docks

Not sure why these guys do what they do but I'm glad they do.

[Broad Bill]

I think everyone has valid points. Some people can afford 20%, some can barely afford the fare. That shouldn't preclude them from going fishing for a day and patronizing sponsors and small businesses and it certainly doesn't make them bad people. If tips weren't intended to be a voluntary thank you for a job well done and mandatory as some have implied, I suggest party and charter boat owners stop calling them tips, include it in the cost of the fare and the problem is solved. Customers pay the owner, owners pay the employees just like most businesses operate. The reason they don't is fares would go up and business would suffer. Well why should customers be judged any differently. It's a tough world for many people, the decision should be theirs individually based on the experience and no one else's.

Being that's not the way it is and probably never will be, the problem I have is a tip has always been a voluntary gesture and by default needs to be earned, in my opinion. Someone works hard regardless of catch results they get a tip commensurate with their level of service. 20% is usually the floor but I've paid as much as 100% and also zero when warranted when the crew has been abysmal. One trip I'll never forget years ago the crew was stoned or coked up. I complained to the captain at the dock and his answer, they do the best they can. Wrong answer!

While we're on the subject, the whole issue of tips has gotten way out of control in my opinion. Sick of someone heating up a slice of pizza or making me a bagel in the morning and turning the screen around when paying to guilt me into a tip ranging from 15% - 35%. I'm not suggesting the fishing industry is the same, just that tipping, in general, has taken on a whole new meaning in society and in my opinion not for the better. Mating is a tough and grueling job but when exactly did tips become a given? Good mates are hard to find and deserve whatever you can afford tipping them BUT there's mates as people mentioned who treat it as an entitlement. I won a pool years ago and the mate gave me the proceeds, literally stood in front of me with his hand out and before I had a chance to give him anything which I fully intended to do he said to me "You know it's customary for whoever wins the pool to give a good portion of it to the mates". Wrong answer again and last time I every patronized that boat.

Like everything in life, how much a fare pays a mate should be commensurate with the service they provide and what the fare can afford as a general rule. Some will tip well for a great experience, some won't tip at all for the same experience, it is what it is. Keep in mind people receiving tip income just received a big raise now that tip income is non taxable so should that be factored in? It won't be for me but guaranteed some will. If you work hard most people will appreciate your effort, compensate you accordingly and you'll do better no matter what your occupation. If you try to skate by, well you'll be lucky to have a job at all. And if you don't like the overall level of compensation, find another form of employment just like anyone else.