Releasing fish with Baratrauma

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Gerry my post was a general comment, not directed at you personally so nothing to retract. Note your name or "you" isn't written anywhere in my reply.

If you want to discuss personal character attacks, we can certainly go down that road as you've more than once come at me for benign posts I've made and statements of opinion. Icing chub mackerel, mind my own business and it's none of your business. Your comment on yesterday's blackfish thread, the same. None of my business posting a personal opinion. I remember your edict to stay off your threads, didn't realize there was a rule where members couldn't comment on your threads. And let's no forget damn yankee's pm with his sexual innuendos repulsively directed at me that you found acceptable behavior.

I've always posted professionally and respectfully on this site to share information and educate members about what's happening in fisheries management. If that's against protocol or off limits, just let me know.

You just don’t get it ….

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

FROM GOOGLE


Freshwater fish can experience barotrauma, especially when rapidly brought up from deep depths, but some species are less susceptible due to a physiological adaptation called a pneumatic duct which allows them to release gas from their swim bladder, effectively "burping" to adjust to pressure changes; fish lacking this duct are more prone to barotrauma when brought to the surface quickly.
Key points about freshwater fish and barotrauma:
Swim bladder function:
The swim bladder, a gas-filled organ that helps fish maintain buoyancy, is key to understanding barotrauma.
Physostomous vs. Physoclistous fish:
Fish with a pneumatic duct connecting their swim bladder to their digestive tract (physostomous) can release gas more easily and are less likely to experience barotrauma compared to fish without this duct (physoclistous).
Examples:
Fish less likely to experience barotrauma:
Trout, salmon, and pike have a pneumatic duct and can adjust their swim bladder pressure readily.
Fish more likely to experience barotrauma:
Walleye, perch, and bass lack the pneumatic duct and are more susceptible to barotrauma when brought up from deep water

very good , thanks for the explanation.. I do know that when we crank up a deep water laker, they always seem very "gassy"- you see lots of bubbles coming out of them as they come to the surface..

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

You just don’t get it ….

That's your opinion which you're entitled to. Personally I believe I do as many others do which would probably surprise you .

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

That's your opinion which you're entitled to. Personally I believe I do as many others do which would probably surprise you .

When I said you didn’t get it I did not mean your opinion, I’m talking about the manner and tone in which you present them. I know this comes from your passion but in my opinion, your opinions might be better received by others if they were a bit less confrontational. But hey, that's my opinion and we're all built differently...

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

It’s already written into law in other states .
Every boat is required to have and use it to release every fish not kept caught from waters deep enough for compression .

Marine fisheries should be mandating their use to protect the fisheries .

A venting tool is 10-25 bucks
The investment isn’t in the tool , it’s in actually using it

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Thanks for that Dan. I'm starting to come around here. You and me are usually on opposite ends of things but I always appreciate our discussions and your point of view. Although yours might differ from mine, we can still talk about them and keep it respectful.

[bunker dunker]

i think the angler should take some responsibility also.learn to properly vent a fish brought up from the depths{that can be}.i do allot of off shore sea bass
trip every year.i know that those bass coming up from that depth will have the bends.i learned how to vent them and now watch every one that i throw back swim straight back down to the bottom.it takes seconds to do.tile fishing is a horse of another color.i believe that anything brought up from 700-1200ft doesn't stand a chance of revival.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

i think the angler should take some responsibility also.learn to properly vent a fish brought up from the depths{that can be}

Agreed 100%!

[Dawn Treader]

What we use is even cheaper than the unit Dan presented. It’s called Vent-a-Fish and is a hollow needle unit. Every short sea bass from depth can be vented within 5 seconds and returned very lively. In a pinch, we’ve also used Littoral Society tagging needles with a little bit of wrapped duct tape at the blunt end to help with grip. If we toss a fish inadvertently without venting, I have noticed that quickly tapping head with Rod tip fixes them like Dale said and if not we net them and vent quickly.

No reason in the world why any boat can’t have a few needles and instruct folks to let the mate quickly vent the fish. Could be very hectic when everyone is catching but conservation should be the priority.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

When I said you didn’t get it I did not mean your opinion, I’m talking about the manner and tone in which you present them. I know this comes from your passion but in my opinion, your opinions might be better received by others if they were a bit less confrontational. But hey, that's my opinion and we're all built differently...

Gerry thanks for your reply. I'll be the first to admit I post with conviction and I don't sugarcoat my comments. I've spent 7-8 years and thousands of hours researching and communicating with state and federal agencies including ASMFC and MAFMC. I went through all the proper channels and in the end got ZERO support from RFA, SSFFF, JCAA and the ASA when politics was brought into it. Everyone has their own agendas and nothing will change with fisheries management because collectively we're focused on the wrong issues and no one has any balls to challenge NMFS.

I actually made more progress with leadership and recreational fishing groups in New York than our own state including New York state representatives until my work was intercepted and sabotaged by a sponsor from this site who if he reads this knows who I'm referring to. Read the attached article on page 15 submitted in 2019 from the New York Recreational and For-Hire Fishing Alliance by a good friend Steve Cannizzo signed by other NY FV operators. I wish I experienced the same support from my own state's fishing organizations.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ts+10-4-19.pdf

Also read the full analysis submitted to the Commission and the Council regarding the status of the stock.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ber+19+Mtg.pdf

The sponsor I’m referring to called one of my contacts, intercepted a piece I was working on for a State Representative and ripped him a new ******* for supporting my work. For the record, it wasn't Capt. Ron who has done more than his share fighting for our collective recreational rights. A sponsor whose livelihood depends on sustainable fisheries goes behind my back and sabotages my work. The same person who asked me to prepare multiple power point presentations, write memorandums and research reports and attend an NMFS function which was later cancelled for political reasons trashes my work behind my back because it didn't support his personal or club’s agenda. Precisely why the recreational sector will never organize and eventually small businesses and party and charter boat operator’s dependent on these resources will fade into obscurity because everyone has their own motivations, none of which include the ultimate health of these stocks.

So when I post comments I write them with passion and conviction. If it offends anyone, lose the thin skin because if we collectively don’t start bringing heat there won’t be any fisheries left for future generations. Gerry, you’ve mentioned a number of times you want your grandchild / grandchildren to enjoy the fishery as we have and the generations before us. If we continue kicking the can down the street and don’t start addressing the issues corrupting fisheries management, you’d be better served having your grandkids take up golf or tennis as these fisheries one by one will disappear. I’d be less concerned with my approach and tone and more concerned with the content of my posts.

Its why I commented about a certain individual a few weeks ago. He’s part of a flawed process that’s delivered brutal results under his watch. Name one thing he’s done for the striper or fluke stocks that’s positive to the recreational sector or the fishery itself. I’ll be the first to applaud talent, positive performance and results but it needs to be earned. I don’t see any of those attributes in this individual, just my opinion supported by drastic reductions in each of these two fisheries.

For 5 or more years I’ve predicted a collapse in this fishery due to the way it’s being managed. I believe a 42% decrease in assignable quota for ’24 and ’25 represents the beginning of that collapse and it will continue for the same reasons I’ve stated. Not one person or state or federal agency has said my analysis or conclusions are wrong, they simply refuse to admit their decisions over the past two decades have been.

I’ve tried to educate members on this site for everyone’s benefit but clearly few want to hear it so I’ll refrain from further comments. Just remember when seasons get closed and possession limits go to one, remember each of you had a choice and your choice was status quo and to accept the crumbs the recreational sector has been given every year. We’re actually at a point where crumbs would be an improvement based on the regulations being forced on us.

If we ever get to a point where a decision is made and funding secured to sue the federal government for violations of MSA, I'd be happy to assist in that litigation. Until then, I'm simply wasting my time and the site's time as most here could really give a shit about the future and are only concerned about today which in my opinion is what NMFS wants and is assuredly a formula for failure.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Dawn Treader

What we use is even cheaper than the unit Dan presented. It’s called Vent-a-Fish and is a hollow needle unit. Every short sea bass from depth can be vented within 5 seconds and returned very lively. In a pinch, we’ve also used Littoral Society tagging needles with a little bit of wrapped duct tape at the blunt end to help with grip. If we toss a fish inadvertently without venting, I have noticed that quickly tapping head with Rod tip fixes them like Dale said and if not we net them and vent quickly.

No reason in the world why any boat can’t have a few needles and instruct folks to let the mate quickly vent the fish. Could be very hectic when everyone is catching but conservation should be the priority.

I also vent sea bass as I stated in other posts , and feel everyone should .
Mustad sells a venting tool for under 10 bucks , though I like my pro vent better .

The seaqualizer I think is better suited for blackfish and other bottom fish .

I agree with BD fish caught below 150’ are pretty much toast .
We caught short raker rockfish in Alaska in 600-1000 ‘
They were pretty much dead before they got to 300 and actually floated up to the surface quickly from 300 on up .