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Old 07-19-2019, 12:30 PM
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I try following your logic...
Re NC, you have it backwards: they were allocated the lion's share of fluke because they had more fluke decades ago than any other state. They haven't been able to fill their quotas for years in home waters...because the fluke have migrated north. Ditto BSB, ditto hundreds of other species, in response to climate change.

Whether you believe in climate change or not, it's happening. The fish don't care what you can or cannot wrap your head around...sorry.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0430141611.htm

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/heal...-20180518.html

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-climat...r-fishing.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-shifts-north/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...ne-cod-pollock

https://e360.yale.edu/features/feeli...-cooler-waters
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:27 PM
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I did a tilefish trip a few year back and we were BAILING blueline tilefish like porgies. The limit went to 7 blueline tilefish for NJ boats, ooops not a word was spoken or posted about that. Now tell me how the sun rises and sets on these pathetic fluke, I'm waiting.

For the recreational fishery, the Council recommended an open season from May 1 to October 31, when blueline tilefish are available to most anglers throughout the Mid-Atlantic. Recreational bag limits would be set at 7 fish per person for inspected for-hire vessels, 5 fish per person for uninspected for-hire vessels, and 3 fish per person for private vessels. In addition, the Council recommended mandatory permitting and reporting of golden and blueline tilefish for both for-hire and private recreational fishing in order to develop better information on recreational tilefish landings in the Mid-Atlantic.
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:41 PM
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Re NC, you have it backwards: they were allocated the lion's share of fluke because they had more fluke decades ago than any other state. They haven't been able to fill their quotas for years in home waters...because the fluke have migrated north. Ditto BSB, ditto hundreds of other species, in response to climate change.

Whether you believe in climate change or not, it's happening. The fish don't care what you can or cannot wrap your head around...sorry.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0430141611.htm

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/heal...-20180518.html

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-climat...r-fishing.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-shifts-north/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...ne-cod-pollock

https://e360.yale.edu/features/feeli...-cooler-waters
This dialogue would be more productive if you answered questions with facts. None of the material discrepancies in science I've identified or pointed out are included in your selective reply.

Your statement "NC, you have it backwards: they were allocated the lion's share of fluke because they had more fluke decades ago than any other state". Explain then how the first chart doesn't support that statement. North Carolina wasn't close to other states until the 70's when they started harvesting their offshore winter commercial fishery right around the same time the fishery started it's collapse into the early 80's. Numbers don't lie.

Apologies for the size font but read the second attachment about the NC commercial summer flounder fishery. 99% of their landings take place during winter trawls. Translated, 99% of the state with the largest commercial quota occurs during the summer flounder primary spawn. Absolutely smart fisheries management. That statement is followed up with "It's not clear what's responsible for the decrease in age class fish 0-1 in NC's landings" You think maybe they ended white side up on the bottom of the ocean. Funny how when their's and Virginia's landings sky-rocketed in the mid 70's, the biomass began it's collapse in the early 80's.

To be clear, I believe climate change is happening and needs to be dealt with, you'd be a fool to believe otherwise. What I don't believe in is the extent of impact people are suggesting it's having on the fishery. I guess the BSB biomass and porgy populations migrated back south when regulations were established to address commercial over-harvest as we see those fisheries rebounding locally today. I believe in areas with less commercial pressure, expansion of fish stocks is happening which theorists will immediately attribute to climate change related movement north. I seem to remember you schooling the site about correlation and causation, you might consider heeding your own advice. I guess we should also believe climate change wasn't an issue between 1989 - 2002 when the biomass increased by 900% and the local fishery was in excellent condition because at that time recreational size increase legislation just started initiating an imbalance in the gender composition of SSB and an unprecedented decrease in recruitment strength we've been living the negative impacts of for almost two decades.

The facts speak for themselves. If you can't wrap your head around that or support your positions with data from fisheries management.......sorry.
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