Survey of Summer Flounder Anglers

[BigRock44]

just took survey. quick and easy.

[bulletbob]

NMFS IS "the state"...Believe me, they are not the friends of recreational fishermen.


From Wiki..
The NMFS also serves as a federal law enforcement agency, working closely with state enforcement agencies, the United States Coast Guard, and foreign enforcement authorities.

[Chelsea-Sea]

Look what Nmfs has done! Made us happy with 3 fish! They have succeeded and beat us down to except a few fish! Information like this can only help. Maybe like stated it does help and we’re allowed 5 slot fish. We need to stand together and not apart

[AndyS]

WOW, I can't believe the responses I am reading regarding this survey.
These young college folks bust their humps trying to get as much accurate information as they can and all people want to do is push them aside.
Have you ever sat down and actually talked to some of these great people ?
I have been working side by side with Rutgers MCS for over 5 years now monitoring the American Shad on the Raritan river, the amount of data is mind boggling. I do not even go to Rutgers but they embraced me with open arms because I was some one with local knowledge. If I remember correctly this mountain of information is then handed to the NJDEP, there the decisions will be made.
Everyone caved in when the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT wanted a Saltwater Registry but you throw mud at the local scientists..................
FYI: There are also Black Sea bass surveys going on as well as data from the mud flats in Louisiana and a group just returned from Mongolia with fish data.
In turn these scientists discuss their finding with other scientists world wide in order to draw conclusions.

[Adrenalinerush]

Originally Posted by AndyS

WOW, I can't believe the responses I am reading regarding this survey.
These young college folks bust their humps trying to get as much accurate information as they can and all people want to do is push them aside.
Have you ever sat down and actually talked to some of these great people ?
I have been working side by side with Rutgers MCS for over 5 years now monitoring the American Shad on the Raritan river, the amount of data is mind boggling. I do not even go to Rutgers but they embraced me with open arms because I was some one with local knowledge. If I remember correctly this mountain of information is then handed to the NJDEP, there the decisions will be made.
Everyone caved in when the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT wanted a Saltwater Registry but you throw mud at the local scientists..................
FYI: There are also Black Sea bass surveys going on as well as data from the mud flats in Louisiana and a group just returned from Mongolia with fish data.
In turn these scientists discuss their finding with other scientists world wide in order to draw conclusions.

Thank you for posting this and having some common sense. Some of these posts remind me the old guy who yells at you for walking on his lawn, geesh!

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by AndyS

WOW, I can't believe the responses I am reading regarding this survey.
These young college folks bust their humps trying to get as much accurate information as they can and all people want to do is push them aside.
Have you ever sat down and actually talked to some of these great people ?
I have been working side by side with Rutgers MCS for over 5 years now monitoring the American Shad on the Raritan river, the amount of data is mind boggling. I do not even go to Rutgers but they embraced me with open arms because I was some one with local knowledge. If I remember correctly this mountain of information is then handed to the NJDEP, there the decisions will be made.
Everyone caved in when the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT wanted a Saltwater Registry but you throw mud at the local scientists..................
FYI: There are also Black Sea bass surveys going on as well as data from the mud flats in Louisiana and a group just returned from Mongolia with fish data.
In turn these scientists discuss their finding with other scientists world wide in order to draw conclusions.

So your conclusion is this -
State =Good
Feds= Bad...

Do you really think the state of NJ will act in the best interest of recreational fishermen?.. They won't discuss conclusions with federal agencies that will
"enact appropriate regulation"?... c'mon....

[Adrenalinerush]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

So your conclusion is this -
State =Good
Feds= Bad...

Do you really think the state of NJ will act in the best interest of recreational fishermen?.. They won't discuss conclusions with federal agencies that will
"enact appropriate regulation"?... c'mon....

Its an institution of higher learning conducting a survey to garner data.

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by Adrenalinerush

Its an institution of higher learning conducting a survey to garner data.

Understood..

And under NO obligation to share the aforementioned "data" with those that paid for the research ,,

Might I make that assumption? - or no?

[Adrenalinerush]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Understood..

And under NO obligation to share the aforementioned "data" with those that paid for the research ,,

Might I make that assumption? - or no?

If they are gathering data and sharing it that's not a good thing? I have an idea, lets not share the data, yes, that's a better idea. That way when decisions are made you can complain that no one was surveyed or consulted.

So, are you inferring that simply because Rutgers is an institution that is public they must be corrupt? That there is no sense is giving them data from a survey because the data will be twisted and misused. You seem like a fairly intelligent guy but I'm sorry you not making a lot of sense here.

Bob,

I actually enjoy your posts so don't take it that I'm coming at you. We just have completely contrary opinions about this matter. Please read the Fisherman article per the attached link (Gerry I hope I can post it here, if not delete and I apologize) https://www.thefisherman.com/index.c...2&ParentCat=19 and tell me it's not more likely for some positive change to come out of Rutgers study than not. Again are there guarantees here.....never. But among other things we need information to support our position to create change in this or any fishery and I believe in this particular case and in the long run this study will prove very instrumental in the legislative powers adopting a slot limit. That's my opinion, opposing opinions are probably as steadfast in their beliefs as I am in mine. Nothing wrong with a healthy debate.

Tom