Jack Ciattarelli Stance on NJ Outdoors

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

Thought those spots were filled some time ago . I believe Greg Hueth has one of those two seats now

Tried looking it up , fisherman mag had an article back in April , but can’t open it online

Salt water quotas are set through a collaborative process between the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC), NMFS (NOAA Fisheries) and ASMFC. ASMFC and MAFMC develops and recommends fishery management plans (FMPs) and quota specifications based on scientific advice provided by North East Fisheries Science Center (NEFSC), while NMFS approves and implements these regulations to ensure they prevent overfishing if you can believe that. MAFMC and ASMFC proposes the limits, and NMFS has the authority to implement, and sometimes modify, those limits to meet the requirements of the Magnuson-Stevens Act. The level we need to get to is the NMFS or federal because that's where the problem starts and where high level decisions and quotas are set. Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) directly regulates allocating a portion of those limits to individual member states for their respective region. MAFMC is responsible for the EEZ, ASMFC waters inside the EEZ.

The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council is a volunteer panel of 11 members appointed by the governor, with the consent of the Senate, including four sports fishermen, two commercial fin fishermen, one fish processor, two general public members, and the chairman of each of the two sections of the Shellfisheries Council. As of September 2025, the council members included Acting Chair Richard N. Herb, Dr. Eleanor Ann Bochenek, Dr. Patrick Donnelly, Warren Hollinger, Walter L. Johnson III, Jeff Kaelin, Joe Rizzo, Robert R. Rush, Jr., and Kevin Wark, with two vacant seats.

Greg Hueth (obligatory seat) is one of two Members of the federally appointment MAFMC from New Jersey, alongside designated state official Joseph Cimino who is director of New Jersey's Marine Resources Administration. Greg, to my knowledge, isn't on the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council (NJMFC) which I believe is the agency Gerry was referring to in his post.

It's no wonder fisheries management is so screwed up when you consider how it's structured, one layer on top of another. Just like everything else in government, way too many politicians and agencies with everyone trying to skim the cash register while making decisions more beneficial to themselves than the resource they're supposed to be managing.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Salt water quotas are set through a collaborative process between the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC), NMFS (NOAA Fisheries) and ASMFC. ASMFC and MAFMC develops and recommends fishery management plans (FMPs) and quota specifications based on scientific advice provided by North East Fisheries Science Center (NEFSC), while NMFS approves and implements these regulations to ensure they prevent overfishing if you can believe that. MAFMC and ASMFC proposes the limits, and NMFS has the authority to implement, and sometimes modify, those limits to meet the requirements of the Magnuson-Stevens Act. The level we need to get to is the NMFS or federal because that's where the problem starts and where high level decisions and quotas are set. Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) directly regulates allocating a portion of those limits to individual member states for their respective region. MAFMC is responsible for the EEZ, ASMFC waters inside the EEZ.

The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council is a volunteer panel of 11 members appointed by the governor, with the consent of the Senate, including four sports fishermen, two commercial fin fishermen, one fish processor, two general public members, and the chairman of each of the two sections of the Shellfisheries Council. As of September 2025, the council members included Acting Chair Richard N. Herb, Dr. Eleanor Ann Bochenek, Dr. Patrick Donnelly, Warren Hollinger, Walter L. Johnson III, Jeff Kaelin, Joe Rizzo, Robert R. Rush, Jr., and Kevin Wark, with two vacant seats.

Greg Hueth (obligatory seat) is one of two Members of the federally appointment MAFMC from New Jersey, alongside designated state official Joseph Cimino who is director of New Jersey's Marine Resources Administration. Greg, to my knowledge, isn't on the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council (NJMFC) which I believe is the agency Gerry was referring to in his post.

It's no wonder fisheries management is so screwed up when you consider how it's structured, one layer on top of another. Just like everything else in government, way too many politicians and agencies with everyone trying to skim the cash register while making decisions more beneficial to themselves than the resource they're supposed to be managing.

That’s the issue with you cut and paste guys . While Nj is lazy updating those pages in FW site .
Those seats were filled , and they had all 11 seated at the April meeting .
Greg told me himself while shad fishing on the Delaware , and Hutch wrote about it in April .
Apparently those seats were directed to be filled months before the remaining red tape was done taking almost another year






In late spring 2024, Governor Phil Murphy nominated Greg Hueth and John Tiedemann to fill vacant seats on the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council. However, as of January 2025, only Tiedemann's nomination had been listed as "considered" by the state Senate.
Status of the nominations
Greg Hueth: Nominated for a sportfishing seat, but as of January 2025, the Senate Judiciary Committee had not confirmed his nomination. Hueth is a head boat captain out of Belmar.
John Tiedemann: Nominated for an "at large" public seat and listed as "considered" by the Senate Judiciary Committee in November 2024. Tiedemann is a professor at Monmouth University






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[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

That’s the issue with you cut and paste guys .
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I was just trying to help Dan, no need to make it personal. Exactly the reason I said "To my knowledge". "Cut and paste guy", don't think so and don't appreciate being characterized that way. We've known one another a long time, you don't deserve that disrespect and I'm damn sure I don't.

[NoLimit]

[QUOTE=Broad Bill;590897]Salt water quotas are set through a collaborative process between the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC), NMFS (NOAA Fisheries) and ASMFC. ASMFC and MAFMC develops and recommends fishery management plans (FMPs) and quota specifications based on scientific advice provided by North East Fisheries Science Center (NEFSC), while NMFS approves and implements these regulations to ensure they prevent overfishing if you can believe that”

How can this be believed? In the case of fluke, they are killing the breeders and letting all the males die of old age. But we are being told not to believe our lying eyes. The whole system is tainted and needs to be fixed.

[hammer4reel]

[QUOTE=NoLimit;590900]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Salt water quotas are set through a collaborative process between the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC), NMFS (NOAA Fisheries) and ASMFC. ASMFC and MAFMC develops and recommends fishery management plans (FMPs) and quota specifications based on scientific advice provided by North East Fisheries Science Center (NEFSC), while NMFS approves and implements these regulations to ensure they prevent overfishing if you can believe that”

How can this be believed? In the case of fluke, they are killing the breeders and letting all the males die of old age. But we are being told not to believe our lying eyes. The whole system is tainted and needs to be fixed.

Our catch isn’t doing shit to hurt the fluke fishery . Smoke and mirrors .
Fluke fishery is being destroyed by the NC commercial fleet from NC past Massachusetts.
While everyone else gets the blame passed to them , the landings for those 7 days boats way exceeds their fishery .
So they hit everyone else’s waters outside the 3 mile line and take them back to the NC processing plants .

.unless that stops , which it won’t everything else don’t mean crap

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[Broad Bill]

It goes beyond just the NC commercial fleet which I agree is a huge problem. The entire commercial fleet from every state fishing year round and killing females during the offshore fall migration and spawn kills trillions of eggs every year and recreational shorts tossed back overboard to retain higher priced larger fish of both sexes but primarily females. Commercial dead discard levels are enormous and as I've been saying for almost 10 years will eventually be the death of the stock. North Carolina and Virginia I believe make up about 50% of the entire commercial quota so North Carolina's practice harvesting their quota primarily during the fall and winter months is a huge problem but the entire commercial practice is absolutely f****** out of control.

And yes I agree recreational fishing doesn't put a dent in the fishery and isn't the problem. The fluke fishery has been dedicated to the commercial sector and the regulations are absolutely ludicrous targeting exclusively the harvest of the spawning biomass while killing millions of juvenile fish.

[NoLimit]

So why keep the minimum size and ruin the day for the kids that go home after tossing back all their fish?

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by NoLimit

So why keep the minimum size and ruin the day for the kids that go home after tossing back all their fish?

The recreational minimum size was adopted to insure a much greater percentage of the overall stock became the exclusive harvest of the commercial sector as their minimum starts at 14". They still harvest the larger fish to promote higher catch values and kill God only knows how many smaller fish in the process. The recreational sector makes the sacrifices, the commercial sector receives the financial benefits and an extremely high percentage of the stock becomes collateral damage in the commercial sector process of selectively harvesting the more valuable older age classes. Meaning smaller less valuable younger age classes brought up in their nets get shoveled back overboard dead with the rest of the non targeted catch. There's more waste in commercial fishing alone than the entirety of all recreational harvest but fisheries management bases commercial catch numbers for dead discard mortality on bogus data that commercial operators routinely under report on their vessel trip reports which is completely based on the honor system and whatever percentage they arbitrarily want to report which you know is low balled.

Recreational catch statistics, as we know, are based on MRIP numbers which NMFS has already admitted are more than 40% overstated while commercial discard mortality statistics are left up to the discretion of commercial operators. It's a completely rigged system that favors the commercial sector at the expense of the recreational sector and the stock as a whole.

[NoLimit]

Maybe our only hope is to invest in artificial fish, just like artificial meat. . Most of what is in the supermarket is half way there like sea legs.. The supermarket will squirt out 50 different flavors of fish sticks. The trawlers will quit tearing up the seabed, stop by catching the juveniles to death, and processing fillets that taste like cardboard. This way, we can get back to the days when there was no limit and plenty of quality fish for the table.

[Broad Bill]

[QUOTE=NoLimit;590900]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Salt water quotas are set through a collaborative process between the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC), NMFS (NOAA Fisheries) and ASMFC. ASMFC and MAFMC develops and recommends fishery management plans (FMPs) and quota specifications based on scientific advice provided by North East Fisheries Science Center (NEFSC), while NMFS approves and implements these regulations to ensure they prevent overfishing if you can believe that”

How can this be believed? In the case of fluke, they are killing the breeders and letting all the males die of old age. But we are being told not to believe our lying eyes. The whole system is tainted and needs to be fixed.

NoLimit, I'm sure this wasn't your intention but when you bifurcated my post and replied to it, you made it appear your reply was part of my initial post because you removed the QUOTE at the end.

So there's no confusion "How can this be believed? In the case of fluke, they are killing the breeders and letting all the males die of old age. But we are being told not to believe our lying eyes. The whole system is tainted and needs to be fixed.", that statement is yours not mine.

Smaller males aren't dying of old age, the older larger class fish that make it through are being harvested but the younger classes, both males and females, are being killed in the process of harvesting larger more valuable fish by the commercials. It's all SIZE and WEIGHT driven when it comes to commercial harvest which translates to maximum catch values, selective harvest and massive amounts of waste in the form of dead discard.

These are literally the most idiotic regulations of any fishery I've ever researched. Kill the juvenile fish, harvest the breeders, allow the commercial sector to slaughter the stock during the spawn, allow netting year round and allow out of state commercial operators who already destroyed the southern stock to do the same to the only remaining Gulf of Maine and Mid-Atlantic stocks on the eastern seaboard.