JCAA Position on Fluke Regulations

[Ry609]

Originally Posted by Scrubby

Chad is right. It's either stick to your guns and really say enough is enough, and not only be noncompliant but STAY noncompliant. Or every one needs to be pirates and tell the Feds f you and your bs regs. Nothing has worked to this point. Something different needs to be done

I certainly wouldn't say a word if I saw anybody keeping flounder this Sunday

[Capt John]

Originally Posted by Ice Cream Bill

Paul,

Didn't you post on here months ago that JCAA and other organizations would fight tough against these agencies and risk NJ being out of compliance regarding these proposed fluke regulations? Who decided to "cave in" and accept this so-called "compromise" of 3 fluke @ 19" with a much shorter season?

Imagine 6-pack charter captains, many who are sponsors on this site, losing 20+ days with a shorter season at an average $750-$800 per trip? Has anyone taken into account the financial impact on them?

Regarding sea bass, I heard the regs have been changed to 5 fish? I have an offshore trip scheduled on a NS boat in Point Pleasant. Now I'm spending $200 to catch 5 fish? $40 per fish? I don't think so. Even now, when spring porgy fishing in NY, you can't get to the bottom without pulling up sea bass.

"Worst available science" by NOAA and these other agencies.
Enough is enough!

My exact sentiment....who the hell caved in? Whatever happened to "enough is enough"? All I heard for weeks was "now that Trump is our president, he'll help us out" ditto with Commerce Secretary Ross..."oh he's pro business, he won't let us down". Where the hell are these guys now and their support? Compromise....BULL****
We either use the support we had at Pt. Pleasant (remember that day guys?) or put our tails between our legs. Horrible development. Starting a charter business in NJ?...think twice all you retirees. 5@18 for 128 and nothing less...NOTHING!

[Reel Class]

Originally Posted by ice cream bill

paul,

didn't you post on here months ago that jcaa and other organizations would fight tough against these agencies and risk nj being out of compliance regarding these proposed fluke regulations? Who decided to "cave in" and accept this so-called "compromise" of 3 fluke @ 19" with a much shorter season?

Imagine 6-pack charter captains, many who are sponsors on this site, losing 20+ days with a shorter season at an average $750-$800 per trip? Has anyone taken into account the financial impact on them?

Regarding sea bass, i heard the regs have been changed to 5 fish? I have an offshore trip scheduled on a ns boat in point pleasant. Now i'm spending $200 to catch 5 fish? $40 per fish? I don't think so. Even now, when spring porgy fishing in ny, you can't get to the bottom without pulling up sea bass.

"worst available science" by noaa and these other agencies.
Enough is enough!

amen!!!!!

[SNAPS]

Originally Posted by Sharkyispy

I, like many others I have spoken to are of the belief that the "POWERS TO BE" could give a rats a$$ about what we think or feel about the limits and will do whatever they please at the expense of many and all businesses associated with recreatonal fishing. We marched and what did it do? We signed petitions. What did it do? We took a survey....if you call it that based on the pointed questions buried within.......sad state of where things are.....feel most for the captains and crews depending on this for livelihood. Don't know how they have achieved their power in these organizations...wait yes I do......but they certainly need to be stripped of it for the abuse they are now imposing. Pretty clear from where I viewas this where it is all heading to.

So frustrating, especially when they talk about the science, and poundage, how the heck do they know how many pounds the rod and reel guy catch ?? how do they know how many fish are in the ocean ? the science is BS they DONT KNOW !!! The comms can wipe out an area in a matter of hours, the rod n reel guy will never put a hurting on the fluke like the comms. I laugh when they say the party boats were able to get out and fish x number of days, yea well many days those boats went out with a hand full of peeps, most peeps are working mon thru fri, and how many of those folks caught keepers.
IMHO THE ONLY WAY TO FIGHT IT IS TO 1 PUT MONEY IN THE POLITICIANS POCKET 2 PUT UP MONEY FROM THE FISHING COMMUNITY FROM ALL STATES, FOR INDEPTH STUDY TO PROVE TO THEM THAT THEIR SCIENCE IS BS, and when you talk about the science it has to be on all level, BIOMASS NOT ONLY IN NJ, BUT NY, CT ETC, MORTALITY RELEASE RATE, BREEDER SIZE, ETC ETC. The govt isnt going to spend our tax dollars on an indepth study by the proper marine bioligists. alot of the tree hugger lobby groups that put money in the politicians pockets dont want to see hunters and fisherman take any thing so that another fight on another front .