The charter/party industry...

[Flukinator]

What about the full-timers who charge more than everyone else and are still booked solid all season-long? All the part-time captains could charge 20 bucks a head for a tuna trip, and the Canyon Runner would still be booked solid all season. Don't blame some guys with low prices for "ruining" an industry. The local fishing industry has WAY more issues stacked against it, including non-sensical regulations, a changing society where fishing just isn't as popular as it once was, more environmentalists spreading anti-fishing non-sense, etc.

Price-fixing is certainly not the answer to saving anyone's business.

[sportfishingusa]

Originally Posted by Flukinator

What about the full-timers who charge more than everyone else and are still booked solid all season-long? All the part-time captains could charge 20 bucks a head for a tuna trip, and the Canyon Runner would still be booked solid all season. Don't blame some guys with low prices for "ruining" an industry. The local fishing industry has WAY more issues stacked against it, including non-sensical regulations, a changing society where fishing just isn't as popular as it once was, more environmentalists spreading anti-fishing non-sense, etc.

Price-fixing is certainly not the answer to saving anyone's business.

your comparing apples to oranges throwing a name like that out there... might point is not that, my point is why charge less for a service you could get more for? what is the reason? it sure as shit is not because anyones costs are less, and if they are that much less, then why not try to make as much as you can. And you can sure blame guys who charge out of control low prices for ruining an industry.. The bass fishery in cape may has not changed, but try to find boat that does not have to run open boats and go with a few guys here and there to keep busy.

[MrAC1980]

What do you think is better? Going out with 3 guys paying $125 or 6 guys paying $100 bucks? Some of the captains need to have a better understanding of business. Give the guys who sign up a break saying if we fill the Charter it'll be cheaper and actually hand money back to them! Or run cheaper rates during the week vs weekend rates. That'll get them to entice their friends to maybe join for the cheaper rate as well.
I'm a private boat owner so haven't run the numbers for insurance and slip fees, but it can't be costing anywhere near $750 to run inshore fluke, seabass/blackfish trips...?

[sportfishingusa]

Originally Posted by MrAC1980

What do you think is better? Going out with 3 guys paying $125 or 6 guys paying $100 bucks? Some of the captains need to have a better understanding of business. Give the guys who sign up a break saying if we fill the Charter it'll be cheaper and actually hand money back to them! Or run cheaper rates during the week vs weekend rates. That'll get them to entice their friends to maybe join for the cheaper rate as well.
I'm a private boat owner so haven't run the numbers for insurance and slip fees, but it can't be costing anywhere near $750 to run inshore fluke, seabass/blackfish trips...?

think it is better to not sail then go with 3 at 125. lol


You got to take these costs.

Fuel
Bait
Oil
oil filter
insurance
slip
payroll (mate)
tax
boat cost (if any payments)


There is a lot of dollars and sense... i understand not everyone can sail every single day with 6 guys at 125 or 140 bucks a head, but if you can sail with 6 guys at 100 why not charge "industry" standard and make some more money for the days you sail or the days you have to sail light?

[sportfishingusa]

and finally it took one post like this to liven up the crowd hahahah

[nancy corigan]

Originally Posted by sportfishingusa

think it is better to not sail then go with 3 at 125. lol


You got to take these costs.

Fuel
Bait
Oil
oil filter
insurance
slip
payroll (mate)
tax
boat cost (if any payments)


There is a lot of dollars and sense... i understand not everyone can sail every single day with 6 guys at 125 or 140 bucks a head, but if you can sail with 6 guys at 100 why not charge "industry" standard and make some more money for the days you sail or the days you have to sail light?

I own 2 boats and Bass Boat and a Saltwater boat.

How about Breaking down what you spend on average on all the above for all to see, I mean you want everyone to follow industry standard, so let everyone see your costs.

[sportfishingusa]

Originally Posted by nancy corigan

I own 2 boats and Bass Boat and a Saltwater boat.

How about Breaking down what you spend on average on all the above for all to see, I mean you want everyone to follow industry standard, so let everyone see your costs.

I do not run a charter operation. I am putting a perspective on it from the outside looking in.

But i am sure if most crunched their numbers they would drop their jaws and not their drawers.

[MrAC1980]

Originally Posted by sportfishingusa

think it is better to not sail then go with 3 at 125. lol
There is a lot of dollars and sense... i understand not everyone can sail every single day with 6 guys at 125 or 140 bucks a head, but if you can sail with 6 guys at 100 why not charge "industry" standard and make some more money for the days you sail or the days you have to sail light?

You can say that its better not to sail with 3 at $125 but I'm pretty sure next time those same guys want to book, they're going to book with someone there is a better chance of sailing with... I bet even sailing with 2, $250 will cover most if not all your costs to keep customers happy. Once again, difference business sense, each to their own...
And you're crazy with your "industry" standard thought process. The guy that mentioned that Groupon thing is getting warmer. You have to give people an incentive to go on your boat, let it be free food, longer hours or cheaper rates, etc. That Groupon thing wasn't all about money, that was cheap advertising!!

[sportfishingusa]

Originally Posted by MrAC1980

You can say that its better not to sail with 3 at $125 but I'm pretty sure next time those same guys want to book, they're going to book with someone there is a better chance of sailing with... I bet even sailing with 2, $250 will cover most if not all your costs to keep customers happy. Once again, difference business sense, each to their own...
And you're crazy with your "industry" standard thought process. The guy that mentioned that Groupon thing is getting warmer. You have to give people an incentive to go on your boat, let it be free food, longer hours or cheaper rates, etc. That Groupon thing wasn't all about money, that was cheap advertising!!

There is another problem, there was a time when i was growing up and working on boats, there was no such thing as an open boat, and that was not to long ago.. Shared charter maybe, but no such thing as an open boat...

You can give incentives all you want, but why give away money? someone please explain that thought process. There is no "industry" standard, that is what i am trying to get at, but if you look at majority of the boats in the area they are all around the same prices except for some of the boats charging much less and going with less guys, why not just fish and enjoy yourself compared to taking on responsibility and liable for others? for what? we dont have long enough seasons to keep someone financially stable making minimum amounts of money per trip, we do not get to fish that many days in this area.

[nancy corigan]

sportfishingusa you also have to take into account the regulations. I for one am not a charter boat person as i would rather double the amounts of trips in a year.

I live in North NJ and gas and food and tolls add up. So a charter boat fluking that only runs maybe 10 miles North of their inlet is charging a premium price of $125 not including tip.

Then take into account Gulp, jigs, hooks and tip and now you are talking a $220 day.

Are the Captains taking that into consideration on pricing? No they aren't they are worried about their bottom line.

What I want to know is how many Captains say you were out with me 4 weeks in a row this one is on me?

The industry from what I read on here from the damage of Sandy was to support their local business, but does the local business look out for their customers.

At the end of the month are they paying my bills? Can i count on them to support me if i walk in or board their boat and forget my money, and they say no worries it's free?

If yes then i will support them but thats not happening...