cut next year's summer flounder catch by 10 percent

[DMac]

I knew this was coming once we lowered size limit. Next year my guess would be 18 or 18.5 with 4-5 fish and shorter season. Southern guys gained nothing but one year. I agree nj is best fluking overall on east coast and I fishes for them from Maryland to mass.
I agree with sidewinder about handling short fish. They should never be handled roughly as they are our future. I would bet 95+% of my fish are surviving release. Only reason I'm say maybe 5 percent die is because there are occasionaly ones that get snagged on side of gill plate. I never net fish under 20" flipping then into my hand never touching boat is much better plus I care to remove hook quickly and carefully.

[captadamnj]

Originally Posted by DMac

I knew this was coming once we lowered size limit.

Again -

Originally Posted by captadamnj

The current decision on quota was coming long before any decision was made about 2012 regulations. The 2013 quota is completely unrelated to 2012 regulations. You simply can't relate the two because, at this time, they are completely unrelated. 2012 catch will be integrated in future quota management decisions, but not the 2013 quota. Anyone who makes the argument next year's quota is tied to this year's regulations is grossly misinformed.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by captadamnj

The current decision on quota was coming long before any decision was made about 2012 regulations. The 2013 quota is completely unrelated to 2012 regulations. You simply can't relate the two because, at this time, they are completely unrelated. 2012 catch will be integrated in future quota management decisions, but not the 2013 quota. Anyone who makes the argument next year's quota is tied to this year's regulations is grossly misinformed.

What will happen is in December, our 2012 PROJECTED landings will be compared to the 2013 quota. (Irregardless if our 2012 -> 2013 quota went up or down.) If 2012 landings are lower than 2013 quota, we will have the chance to liberalize. If landings = quota, regs will still be same. If landings are greater than quota, then we will reduce.

Keep in mind that the regs for this year were DESIGNED to significantly increase landings from 2011 (by nearly 40%).

As Tony correctly stated, landings numbers are nothing but a roulette wheel or a crap shoot. Any system that samples less than 1% of what it is supposed to be calculating is catastrophically insufficient for to the number management of anything.

If anyone would like to further discuss management, call or e-mail, thanks.

When you give up creel and length of season for lower size limits you will absolutely **** yourself.

I understand trends and how they manipulate the numbers and dangle regs that seem great at the time but it's like Mc Donald Burgers at the time of eating it tastes great then you realize later, Great? Yeah not so much.

The Bottom line is no matter what, you guys in NJ will get screwed just like we got reamed in NY.

Good Luck with that... Do you know how many Boats we lost in Long Island because of these regs?

I am a big picture guy and no matter how you come to your conclusion when your are screwed, you are screwed...

And bud you guys in NJ are screwed I see 4 fish and 18 1/2 inches in your future.

[DMac]

Captadamnj,

In my post I stated nothing about quota for 2013 simply stated that with lowering our size limit I knew they would say we had a higher landings in 2012 than 2011 hence why I wanted to stay at 18.

Captadamnj. Could you tell me how many additional keepers this helped you with this season, bc I personally can say very few and threw 90+ percent of 17.5-18 back bc didn't need them.

Since you were driving force behind lovering size and creek can you say you still support your decision?

Not attacking you just a question.

Sidewinder unfortunately your right. I knew it was mistake. I think we might only go to 18, but 18.5 is definately possibility and then southern boats will really be screwed bc they said they needed 17.5 so bad..

[shrimpman steve]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

And bud you guys in NJ are screwed I see 4 fish and 18 1/2 inches in your future.

and you seem happy about it. is it a NJ Vs. NY thing?

As LAB said, we can only voice our opinion, then the board does what it wants to do. you think they listen to our opinion? No way.

But to gloat that we will be affected like NY was sounds you think we deserve it because we are NJ not NY.

Just sayin.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by shrimpman steve

and you seem happy about it. is it a NJ Vs. NY thing?

As LAB said, we can only voice our opinion, then the board does what it wants to do. you think they listen to our opinion? No way.

But to gloat that we will be affected like NY was sounds you think we deserve it because we are NJ not NY.

Just sayin.

Actually, while we were suffering in NY I heard many a NJ guys say good better them then us.

This isn't a NY vs NJ thing there is no comparison, NJ has been invade by us so there is no rivalry, NY hands down is better!

But seriously you guys moaned about your regulations so much but you didn't head the warning signs that you were next. It was coming a mile away a giant red flag and while you were crying over only being allowed 8 fluke we in ny had 2 fluke at 21 effing inches.

Think about it, you were able to keep 18" fluke we were throwing fish back at 20 7/8" roughly 3lbs a piece, and you guys were crying about your regs.

I believe NY, CT, and NJ should all have the same regulations period.

[Skolmann]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

I believe NY, CT, and NJ should all have the same regulations period.

If that is your true belief, why stop there.... why shouldn't CT & RI have the same regulations of NJ & Del. And to go one step further, RI. & Mass. be the same as should Del. & MD. etc. etc.

Sorry the one size fits all concept doesn't work with me, just my IMHO.

[Knot Guilty]

In addition to the boxes of red noses for the clowns who gave back size and fish,
I now have tissues so you can dry your eyes. Foresight is armor against the unknown.
Thanks and look alive in the future.

[GOTCHA1224]

Originally Posted by DMac

Captadamnj,

In my post I stated nothing about quota for 2013 simply stated that with lowering our size limit I knew they would say we had a higher landings in 2012 than 2011 hence why I wanted to stay at 18.

Captadamnj. Could you tell me how many additional keepers this helped you with this season, bc I personally can say very few and threw 90+ percent of 17.5-18 back bc didn't need them.

Since you were driving force behind lovering size and creek can you say you still support your decision?

Not attacking you just a question.

Sidewinder unfortunately your right. I knew it was mistake. I think we might only go to 18, but 18.5 is definately possibility and then southern boats will really be screwed bc they said they needed 17.5 so bad..

capt. adam didnt you persuade the 17.5 inch size. from what i understand the 18 inch and 6 fish was highlighted at the meeting until you persuaded the council?

[Irish Jigger]

So everyone remembers what they chose when the regulations were posted.


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