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Old 09-13-2019, 05:14 PM
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Default FISHERMEN/Striped Bass Addendum VI, my Imput

To: Max Appelman

Mr. Appelman,

Capt. Ron Santee of the Party Boat Fishermen, Atlantic Highlands, NJ, here.

Myself and several other Captains were at the Meeting last night in Mantaloken to discuss the Draft Addendum VI. All of us are in agreement that there seems to be no consideration for the Party Boats and our business. It seemed most if not all from the private sector, fishing clubs and even some Charter boats were on board with a 35 inch fish.

After listening to many of the comments, one in particular that mentioned making Raritan & Sandy Hook Bay a Sanctuary or even a moratorium on Striped Bass, I couldn't think straight to address anyone!! So I decided it best to send you a letter and express my concerns.

Back in early 2000, can't recall the year, we had 3 fish, One at 28-34, one at 34+ and a slot fish at 24 to just under 28 inches. At that time the 34 and overs were all big egg carrying females. Everyday I would educate my customers on how it was the right thing to do to toss the breeders back. I actually had a Kodak Printable camera where I would take the customers picture, release the Big females and encourage them to keep the smaller, better eating fish. Believe it or not I only had ONE customer that entire season ask if it was OK to keep a 36 inch fish only because it was the first Bass he ever caught. Of course I said yes but the point is, I spent everyday trying to protect these fish while encouraging people to think about the future.

How do you think it makes me feel or how does it make me look now, if we are forced to kill 35 inch breeding females? Not to mention the fact that we rarely see these fish on the Head boats anymore. Most of the bigger bass are caught trolling. The mortality rate has to be unreal just from the stress alone.

I'm assuming there is no consideration for economic impact when it comes to the Party boat fleet. A 35 inch fish in the Spring with nothing else to target would decimate an already struggling industry. We certainly don't have the numbers compared to the private sector to change anything so we will basically be thrown into another Oh well situation. A situation I'm afraid we will not recover from.

I have had nothing but respect for the Fishery and have educated my customers the same my entire career. I am on the board of the Save the Summer Flounder Fishery, my vessel was involved in both sexing studies on Summer Flounder the past several years.

Another very important fact that was brought up at the meeting was the Migration of Striped bass through the EEZ.....There currently is Zero Data on this even though countless Captains have mentioned the acres of fish that migrate this area Nov-December. How can you make a decision that will affect the lives of Hard working people with out all the data? Once again we are told "It's the best Science" available.

So for my personal impute I'd like to see one 24-32 inch fish for the Party Boats. If we have to change the bonus program to do so, then so be it but we at least need something that will give our customers hope of going home with a meal for the effort and it just might keep us in business for another year.

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Old 09-13-2019, 08:51 PM
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Here's a question for you - if you take the smaller fish, how do we get BIG SPAWNERS again? I assume they don't just grow to 50 lbs over night - curious
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we are talking about 1 fish per person and that will not wipe out the future. Rons suggestion makes perfect sense.
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Here's a question for you - if you take the smaller fish, how do we get BIG SPAWNERS again? I assume they don't just grow to 50 lbs over night - curious
One of the primary attributes of any successful fishery is protecting the spawn and having a healthy population of new recruits every year. Harvest the smaller fish and enough of the population will get through to become breeders and perpetuate the fishery. Egg production on older age fish is almost 10 times greater than younger age classes so once the spawning base is established the fishery will thrive. Same issue with summer flounder. When age 1-2 fish made up 95% of the overall harvest the biomass increased almost ten fold. Older age classes which produced millions of eggs as opposed to hundreds of thousands fueled recruitment. When the regulations changed forcing to harvest of larger sexually mature breeders and commercial operators electively decided to harvest larger fish due to higher market values, the fishery has been on a decline for the last 15 years. Same concept Capt Ron is suggesting and he couldn't be more correct. In fisheries with high levels of egg production, harvest the smaller fish and let the older age spawners sustain the future of the fishery.
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One of the primary attributes of any successful fishery is protecting the spawn and having a healthy population of new recruits every year. Harvest the smaller fish and enough of the population will get through to become breeders and perpetuate the fishery. Egg production on older age fish is almost 10 times greater than younger age classes so once the spawning base is established the fishery will thrive. Same issue with summer flounder. When age 1-2 fish made up 95% of the overall harvest the biomass increased almost ten fold. Older age classes which produced millions of eggs as opposed to hundreds of thousands fueled recruitment. When the regulations changed forcing to harvest of larger sexually mature breeders and commercial operators electively decided to harvest larger fish due to higher market values, the fishery has been on a decline for the last 15 years. Same concept Capt Ron is suggesting and he couldn't be more correct. In fisheries with high levels of egg production, harvest the smaller fish and let the older age spawners sustain the future of the fishery.
Well stated..


Some people don't really get the concept of "selective harvest" and want to just shut down ANY harvest.

The big old egg bearing females need better protection than smaller fish, because there are fewer of them by far, and they are the most prolific spawners.

In the modern age slot limits are the way to go for pretty much all species under heavy pressure.. Sad that it came to this but here we are.

Fluke "management" is absurd.. The regulations force anglers to remove the large egg producers from the stock if they want a fish or two to eat.. Fluke must be managed so that the smaller, more abundant, less productive fish become a larger part of the recreational harvest, and the larger females become less of the harvest. bob
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Here's a question for you - if you take the smaller fish, how do we get BIG SPAWNERS again? I assume they don't just grow to 50 lbs over night - curious
Clueless! I feel for you Ron and the rest of the Party boat fleet. Slot limits do work! Just look at the Red drum fishery to the south. A slot limit was put in place and the fishery rebounded. There is no shortage of trophy fish over 50lbs and a vibrant fishery of all sizes. Lots of anglers target the trophys take a picture and have no problem letting them go. If the proposed regulations go into place they will follow the fluke fishery with ever increasing size limits and no tasty small fish for dinner.
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Thank you Capt. Ron for all of the thankless hard work and dedication

Tom keep bringing that data and using there own words against them

BTW , the smaller fish taste better and this would be great for both fluke and striped carp (bass)

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Ron , I didn’t get to make this meeting .
But what I had heard before it was they wanted to release all fish over 35”..
Which I think would be great to protect all those fish that are larger than that now .


Was that changed to only keeping fish over 35 “ ?.

The other states that imposed the new limits are protecting all the fish over 35”
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Ron , I didn’t get to make this meeting .
But what I had heard before it was they wanted to release all fish over 35”..
Which I think would be great to protect all those fish that are larger than that now .


Was that changed to only keeping fish over 35 “ ?.

The other states that imposed the new limits are protecting all the fish over 35”
The First option is for Keeping 1 fish over 35 inches......
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