No hard feelings whatsoever, like we've all said there's a lot of frustration swirling around. Makes us all a bit crazy and on edge. Thanks for all the garbage you collect on your trips, something that shouldn't be lost in all this. FYI, think we have a common friend. Kevin who is one of the vampire gang at Hopatcong during the herring spawn. Out of the blue he mentioned your screen name the other day, had nothing to do with this thread just a complete coincidence. He loves nighttime walleye and hybrid fishing for sure. Either way as Dave said, keep posting. It's what makes NJF a fantastic and unique site. All the best......Tom.