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http://www.navesinkmaritime.org/Nati...rine-Sanctuary

Think it can't happen? Just let them go ahead with this plan and it will be the beginning of the end !!! It already happened in Florida !:mad:

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Here's the proof
http://www.saltwatersportsman.com/bi...ishing-habitat

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Regarding Fishing and other recreational activities in SHB:

excerpt:
"NMS status will not directly affect any of those recreational activities. As such, there will be no new regulations beyond those that already exist, and activities that occurred before the NMS designation will continue to occur after the NMS designation."

http://www.navesinkmaritime.org/NMS-...onal-Character

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Go ahead and believe that. Your right the government NEVER changes it's mind or does 180's. Once you give the Fox the right to guard the Hen House all bets are off !

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It can and most likely will happen.. The political far left has almost absolute power on much of both coasts these days, and these things will certainly be implemented if it continues as is... Think not?... Please take a look at California's
"no take" zones...https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conserva...e/MPAs/Network

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I have to agree with scooter. Nothing good can come of this. In my opinion once set up, they will take more and more of our rights away.

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Thanks Steve !
However, given that this post already has almost two hundred views and only five replies shows the absolute apathy and could never happen here attitude that fisherman are famous for.

It will be too little too late when everyone wakes up and the smoke clears.:eek:

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I'd love to know where the money comes from to fund initiatives like this....our tax dollars directly or indirectly. How about no trying to fix what's not broken and use those dollars to reduce the taxes we pay every day. Not sure where this is headed but again someone somewhere in politics will be looking to make a name for themselves and these waters regardless of what the public is being told today will be off limits to the general public for the good of our children off course. A gift to our children........where do these people come from!

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The "Pew Foundation" is behind a lot of these closures. Although it is officially an independent organization it was founded by family and money associated with Sun Oil. SUNOCO. Their power comes in their ability to divide us, as already stated in another post "the far left" is to blame. Divide and conquer by using the media to make some of us feel "smarter" than the others. Not wanting to get into a pissing match is why so many of us just read and move on. In Florida the "official hearings" by government officials where our "fish quotas, and limits" are decided have actually been funded by the Pew Foundation. They have reserved the room, paid for the meals, and transportation of the officials to attend!! Their goal is to stop ALL fishing and as much human activity in the Oceans as possible. They do not let any facts stand in their way. When they insisted the Gulf of Mexico red snapper were all juveniles with no adults capable of reproduction, we provided ear bones of recently caught snapper that were over 20 years old, when they said the younger fish were no where to be found, we provided evidence that the young fish were everywhere. They then said it was to their credit as they had kept the fishery shut down for so long and the shut down needs to continue.........and on and on and on. Red snapper are all over the gulf, and the extreme limits continue. Oh well, I've had my rant!!!

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Dude, wake up.

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So if they intend to maintain the same regulations, why the need to make another governing body?

And who are these people that they are oblivious to one of the biggest recreational activities on the river. The list of activities makes no mention of crabbing?!? It seems these people are landlubbers who want to restrict activities on a river they consider "theirs".

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I just sent the following to the organization sponsering this joke, for what it's worth

I can't disagree with the establishment of a national marine sanctuary more! I fish the bay and the river and don't need the Feds to restrict my rights any more than they already do.

I and my fellow fishermen will do whatever legally possible to keep this from moving forward.

The river and bay belong to the public not special interest groups like yours.



Steven Hanstein

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Way to go Steve.

Here is my email that I sent.

Rik van Hemmen,

There will be a tremendous fight on your hands with all of NJ’s fishermen. There is absolutely no place for a marine sanctuary in this state. The state and federal regulations are more than enough to deal with. We as fishermen have already seen first hand what happens when you let a fox guard the hen house. We will not allow NJ or any of it’s marine waters be designated like this. Biscayne Bay Florida was portrayed as a great idea that would preserve a valuable resource. Now there is a federal ban on all fishing activities.
http://www.saltwatersportsman.com/bi...ishing-habitat


Prepare for the biggest legal fight of your life.


Scott Risko

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Here are a list of places that hosted this special interest group.

December 9, 2015, Bahrs Restaurant, Highlands, NJ, hosted by NMHA

January 18, 2016, Monmouth Boat Club, Red Bank, NJ, hosted by Monmouth Boat Club.

February 23, 2016, 8 pm, Keyport Yacht Club, Keyport, NJ, hosted by SEAS

February 25, 2016, 4.30 pm, Shrewsbury Boro Hall, Two Rivers Council of Mayors (initial introduction)

March 2, 2016,7 pm, Fort Monmouth Recreation Center
2566 Guam Ln, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 , hosted by Monmouth Conservation Foundation.

March 6, 2016, 1130 am, Ralph Hall, St. George's Episcopal Church, Rumson

March 7, 2016, 7 pm, Crawford House, Tinton Falls, hosted by Two Rivers Environmental Commission.

March 13, 2016, 2 pm, Keyport Yacht Club, Keyport NJ, hosted by Keyport Yacht Club.

March 16, 2016, 7 pm, Red Bank Library, Red Bank, NJ, hosted by Red Bank Library.

I can not believe some of these places allowed them to have meetings there. I will not be supporting any of these establishments anymore.

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At this still early stage we are considering the following goals for the Sandy Hook Bay NMS:

1. Serve as a laboratory and thought leader for integrated man/nature interaction in a rich, complex, diverse, and culturally developed environmental setting


Sounds clear to me ...no threat here.....:rolleyes:

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that's liberal-speak for, "we set up a big expensive government program staffed by a bunch of marine biology grads from Ohio who go on a boat twice a year, making them experts, and we pay for the whole thing with your tax dollars, then we tell you whats what about your own home waters".

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Corruption, bureacracy, tree hugging bleeding heart liberals taking whose soul goal is to take more of our freedoms.... MAKES ME SICK

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agreed,,, Yet coastal states east and west continually elect leftist environazis into office despite the fact that much of those states leisure dollars are spent in and around coastal waters... NY and NJ both are guilty of this year after year... California coastal waters are inundated with no fishing/ no take areas, yet the radical environmentalists are elected every cycle.. I guess there are just more non fishing voters in all of these states...

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Step 1 to fight back-Boycott Sunoco.
Step 2- Join RFA

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Allowed? How do you know they did not pay rent?

This tree huggers's blurb at the bottom is dedicated to the art of building wooden boats. Who do you picture doing that as his calling? Some crotchety 80 y-o geyser chasing people away.

LOL

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Captain Frank, one would hope they paid for meeting space but I'm guessing probably not. Either way it makes no difference. The fact that the above establishments allowed this group to use/rent their facilities should show that they are, at the very least, very uninformed of what happens when you sign up for the Trojan Horse. In my opinion establishments that are run by ill informed people are dangerous and should not be supported.

Where you come up with thinking I'm a tree hugger is beyond me. Maybe you can explain further? The only wood I admire swings between my legs.

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I am so sick and tired of this bs.these groups that found this kind of crap don't want us to use hooks to fish with as the fish may be hurt by them.i'll stick to fishing with Dex Russell and RUs Sharpener and take my chances.

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You guys are all paranoid. Think of ALL the good that could come from this! :confused::D:confused:

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Doug. I hope you are right. I just don't trust the government anymore. And that is a shame.

We are each entitled to our opinions and I never mean to be disrespectful of other opinions that don't match mine.

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NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I won't even think twice about it. Lobby groups, etc along with charter/part boat captains and owners have way too much influence on what happens. The rfa will step in also. What kind of sanctuary has thousand of boats flying thru it on the way to and from the fishing ground. lmao. Too much money brought in by Dingell Johnson funds for fisherman who utilize that bay and patronize the tackle shops, gas stations, restaurants, etc.. They are just blowing smoke and have nothing better to do. FORGET ABOUT THE IDEA.

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It always starts out this way. A group states that they are just looking into the possibility of doing something that will help a resource and be for the betterment of all concerned. People state oh they could never do this or it could never happen here. Trust me when I tell you that this is the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. The fact that this group is highly funded and has already scheduled and has had public meetings/hearings on this should hit everyone over the head like a two by four. Am I being paranoid? Do I believe in conspiracy theory? Do I believe in ghosts? NO. I do however am a firm believer in history can always repeat itself. An that any form of a tertiary governing body has absolutely no place in this state. Laugh now and cry later.

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OK so what is the answer? How do we stop implementation of NMS status?

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My guess is that we should reach out to the RFA, The Fisherman Magazine, Al Ristori, maybe some of the party boat captains and find out what can be done. I have already written an email to the fisherman magazine, sent an email to the contact person that is heading this special interest group and sent a message to a PB captain. So far the only one that has also stepped up was Shrimpman Steve. Maybe someone can contact the RFA and someone else get Al Ristori involved.

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I was in contact with the RFA and it seems as this will be a priority that they will address. Anyone friends with Al Ristori?

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Scooter I applaud your effort here to not only call attention to this but to follow up with it. As an RFA-NJ board member I reached out also and more to follow. To quote a board member I hold in high regard the goal of RFA is conservation and the goal of this could be preservation which are two distinct different goals. I will contact you soon with further information here and or via PM. The plus is Sandy Hook Bay is State regulated and it takes a Federal action to provide a NMS so there are options to take it on.

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Arrrrrrrgh!!! My knives are sharpened and I'm pissed... Feel free to come aboard!
http://www.lucylearns.com/images/pir...alico-Jack.gif

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:mad::mad::mad::mad:

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I emailed Rik who is the contact person on the website and this might be a case of "Trust but Verify". He seems to be a dyed in the wool outdoorsman and has spent his whole life in the marine industry as an engineer.

Feel free to email him too. He got back right away and at first, it was pretty much what is on the website. "No, there wont be any new rules - yes we want to do research and public awareness - yes, we want to make fishing and clamming better". So it was all warm and fuzzy.

I then asked him what exactly did he have in terms of programs and this is what he came back with:
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The creation of an NMS will simply raise our awareness on things in the NMS, and provide a forum for adjustments, be they the recent closing of clamming in the Navesink, the difficult questions around the oceanic bridge replacement, the sudden removal of the oyster reef in the Navesink, bunker over fishing that affects the stripers, silting of the upstream waters that reduce striper breeding effectiveness, or the advantages of putting boats in lifts rather than painting boat bottoms with antifouling (although the latter is not a top concern in our rather well drained system)



I will readily admit that the NMS concept is complex and maybe even elusive at this stage, but we no longer have the luxury of making simple decisions in our crowded but very beautiful ecosystem. The days of settling, kicking out the Indians, cutting the trees and building a log cabin, and moving on once all the oysters are gone are over. We have what we have, and what we have is quite special, the trick is to manage it as one precious thing. The Sandy Hook NMS will let us look at the rivers and our portion of the bay as one thing, and hopefully this will provide clarity when difficult decisions have to be made. We are making difficult decisions today; the NMS will simply provide a clearer, more effective and more concise backdrop to make it against. We will be able to ask: How would the NMS feel about that?



Last night, during a presentation, we had a long discussion about the type of governance that this particular NMS should have and we are starting to get some ideas on that. The trick that everybody likes is to realize that those who live around the NMS probably know it better than others, and the governance system will weight towards that realization.



The most successful outcome will be an NMS where there is sustainable commerce, fishing and recreation (with the added benefit of more effective education and deeper cultural appreciation), and where, little by little, we can look back over a long time and say: You know what? Together, we made this thing better and more fun and we left it better for our kids to enjoy.



I own an 18 foot wooden Hankins diesel Sea Bright skiff (River Runner; wave to me when I go by your house in Highlands), a woodpussy sailboat, about five canoes and an iceboat. I also fish with friends on bigger boats, and provide engineering services to people around the river. I also like to bring in big boats on the river. If you search “Onrust” and “Navesink” you will see what I mean. I do not hunt and consider it a flaw in my upbringing, but I love it when I hear gunshots on cold winter days because it tells me all is well on the river. We are doing something that the first people who came here some 10,000 years ago were doing and we can still do it today. That is too cool for words. The NMS intent is that we continue to do that. But also that we do cast an eye on the NMS and say: Are we doing these things as well as we can? And if, over time, we can do better, let’s give it a shot.



Study the info that is on the website and in the pdf I sent. This thing is about “better for all”, within the reality that what we have is not unlimited. But if we are clever, we can all have more of it and have more fun doing it.



I will be presenting at the Red Bank Library on March 16. When I asked the library to present, the library director said: “But are you not mad at us? We put up a bulkhead and you suggested that we should have a soft shore line.” (this was about two years ago, and I did send a letter to the library when I heard about it)



I was never mad, I simply suggested that a soft shore line would be better for wild life and the library. At the time, I arrived at the discussion too late to make a difference, so a new hard bulkhead went up. If there had been an NMS, there is a chance that the town and library people would have been more aware of the benefits of a soft shore line and would have planned for one, and without me having to get involved. Regardless, I hope that if the library’s memory is sufficiently long (or if we have the educational benefit of an NMS), that in 50 or so years, when they need to replace the bulkhead again, they remember that soft shore lines are better and why.

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So there it is and like I said, maybe this is a case of Trust but Verify. More knowledge is better than less and the fact that he is an engineer instead of some social science airhead might mean they want to deal with hard facts.

What does everyone think and will something like this help us - for instance can such an organization help us with the stupid laws that force us to take breeder fluke and let 17" males die of old age?

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dales529
Thank you very much.

Conservation/Preservation are still terms that are used by NMFS, NOAA, AMFC, Historical Societies that have historically proven that they put undue hardships on fishermen. Which ever one this special interest group falls under I still personally fear that once a moniker of NMS gets established the door opens to any and all restrictive measures that can be implemented at anytime. Even if they call it a river preservation society a designation once implemented can lead to unforeseen abuse. Once something gets established it is an extremely tough battle to recall it. It's a battle that I prefer to fight before establishment rather than after.

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No Limit

I am really curious why you would post a reply from Rik? I applaud that you actually reached out and emailed him but less then thrilled to see you do his work. When he replied to me and asked me to post it up to this website and others I refused. I refused and told him that he should join these forums and others and post up what he wants. The fact that he doesn't do it himself does give me some trepidation. There is a lot written on his website that I feel is very loosely worded and open for a wide interpretation. Do you seriously think that when they were presenting the Biscayne Bay NMS the people showed up in anti-fishing billboards? I am sure they showed up in Huk, Aftco, Columbia etc clothing and talked about all the benefits that everyone will have if this is passed. Talk is cheap but legislation becomes almost permanent. At the very least Rik could do is his own work. This is not a personal attack on you or anyone else. Everyone is entitled to feel and do what they want. This is not my website but I am glad I have a place to go and state that most titles, monikers, NMS, and legislation ends up not benefiting most in the end.

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"I am really curious why you would post a reply from Rik?"

Because it disclosed specific actions they wanted to do instead of just the generalities that are on the website. That information is useful in determining where they might be going on this. I thought it indicated that they do want to provide for better fishing, clamming, etc.

If this group is something that will be positive for us, we should support it. If we see it is heading the wrong way, then we move against it. Maybe a local group will reverse the trend we have with state and feds. The more arrows in the quiver, the better your chances.

Keep your friends close and your (potential) enemies closer. I am going to check it out further and will get back with any updates. I am sure you will do likewise.

"I refused and told him that he should join these forums and others and post up what he wants."

That is one approach but I took another. More information and engagement is better than less at this point.

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Appreciate the info, even if I have to wade through 4 pages of sheer hysteria to read it.

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Here are two sites that explain the process on how to create a NMS:

http://www.nominate.noaa.gov/

http://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/manageme...ignations.html

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You're not the tree hugger. That website lists his wooden boat building love at the site's bottom. Frankly I would rather use the boat, than fix the boat. But maybe I'm crazy?

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Another attempt to close down fishing areas...just take a look @ Florida.

My suggestion is if you can - attend the meeting in Red Bank on the 16th. Also join the JCAA, NJOA and the RFA as these organizations are fighting BS like this from happening in the first place - politically.

This would really wipe out the rentals boats, smaller boats, kayak fishing and surf fishing in the Sandy Hook area.


Joe T.