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Ttmako 05-12-2017 01:01 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Quin T Rex (Post 481750)
Hello All It was my understanding tha we were going to stay stong with what we believe in, that flawed data was unacceptable. The support we have politically I believe has never been as strong as it is today. My impression was that we would not accept there offers and go out of compliance and let the secretary of commerce handle this issue. As you know the current proposasl would be extemely harmfull to the party,charter, recreational fishing dependedent industries along our coast.We made great progress earlier in the battle,. I see no need to surrender now. Just my opinion..

The political support dried up earlier this spring.
Tom Macarthur bailed on us. If you are in his district, please remember him next election cycle.
You are correct, we need to keep fighting this.

bunker dunker 05-12-2017 02:00 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
ttmako no disrespect but we have been hearing that for 40 or so years.what have they done for us in those years?????.i'll tell you what they have done......
NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!.

Joey Dah Fish 05-12-2017 02:11 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
No we should have gone out of compliance. Once again promised a fight once again miserable failure.

Joey Dah Fish 05-12-2017 07:56 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
This is a complete failure on all levels.

Capt John 05-13-2017 01:47 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Quin T Rex (Post 481750)
Hello All It was my understanding tha we were going to stay stong with what we believe in, that flawed data was unacceptable. The support we have politically I believe has never been as strong as it is today. My impression was that we would not accept there offers and go out of compliance and let the secretary of commerce handle this issue. As you know the current proposasl would be extemely harmfull to the party,charter, recreational fishing dependedent industries along our coast.We made great progress earlier in the battle,. I see no need to surrender now. Just my opinion..

My exact sentiment....who the hell caved in? Whatever happened to "enough is enough"? All I heard for weeks was "now that Trump is our president, he'll help us out" ditto with Commerce Secretary Ross..."oh he's pro business, he won't let us down". Where the hell are these guys now and their support? Compromise....BULL****
We either use the support we had at Pt. Pleasant (remember that day guys?) or put our tails between our legs. Horrible development. Starting a charter business in NJ?...think twice all you retirees. 5@18 for 128 and nothing less...NOTHING!

Oceanroamer 05-13-2017 02:10 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
On a side note, under the circumstances, the Delaware Bay shouldn't get that extra inch smaller fish. Sure they are hurting, but good fishermen still limit easy there. Economic realities of the area? Atlantic County is number one in the nation in foreclosures two years running from casino debacle. So why not inch lower for them? Point is, I don't think in this climate of being screwed, that one area should have lower size and better cut. Just my opinion. Wish it had worked out better so far. It stinks.

Capt. Lou 05-13-2017 05:18 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
How did the word compromise get interjected into this discussion , there is no compromise , we didn't get the time of day . This outcome if it sticks will be a devastating blow to our shore front businesses . Recreational fishing is in a bad state & we're all at fault ! It's the 11th hour for those who still don't get it !

Ttmako 05-13-2017 08:45 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
There were 2 choices on the table.
Abide by addendum 28 and have 3@19". The default measure if we didn't go along with would have been 2@21" for July and August.
So the DEP, who has done a great job with issue, in my opinion has offered the MAMFC to do 3@18, with a shorter season.
I never knew 3@18 was an option, but consider the following:
1-it's better than the default measure (2@21) and offers us a better chance to legally keep something.
2-it's better than the NY regs. Remember, they screwed us in 2013.
3-this isn't over. The technical committee still needs to approve our "offer".

If every single person on this site CALLED or were to WRITE to their senator or congressman, they would have to act. The plain hard truth is maybe 30 people from this site actually have made the effort to notify their senators. Shit, we can't even get a load of people to go on a fund raiser for this exact issue.

The shame here is the councils have managed to piss off every NJ bottom fisherman. People are just gonna do whatever they want.

The councils are following the rules set forth by magnuson. The law needs to be changed. The council leadership needs to be change.
Laws get changed when people stand up and demand change. Notify your legislator what you want. They work for us.

Mako231 05-13-2017 10:10 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
Guess they'll be no party boats left in 2 years

Inishmore3 05-13-2017 11:02 PM

Re: Looks like we should have taken 3 @ 19"
 
How about Frank Pallone?


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