Re: Is it just me...?
 

I am happy Tony is on our side. He is the attorney that everyone wants. You might like or not like what he says but he is 100% truthful and he is willing to explain it in layman's terms, even if he has to do it 10 times.

If it wasn't for his knowledge and persereverance, we might not even be having this discussion.

Thanks Tony, Henry

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Now if I could just find a way to make my time and effort in fisheries management generate lawyers fees instead of costing me money I'd be set!!:D:D

Guess I'd have to become an attorney first, but dammit that will cost more money!;)

RSA and Boarding Rules for 1/2 Day boats?
 

Just a curious question. I think I'm gonna hit the afternoon trip on the Star tomorrow since I'm going to be in Manalapan in the morning. Are you guys completely disembarking the boats and then bringing people back on with new tickets, or how is it working? I've never gone out on a 1/2 day afternoon trip.

I assume people fishing both trips get to keep their spot from the morning right? Would I be stuck fishing the side of the boat coming in the afternoon or if I get there around 12:30 is there a chance of picking up a stern or pulpit spot? Just curious what the regulars have to say.

I'd love to do the 3/4, but that would be... irresponsible of me. :D

Uncle!
 

I should not have posted about RSA without researching it. In fact, it was explained to me a couple years ago but I had forgotton about it. Carry on, men, while I pick these crow feathers out of my teeth.

PS --If anyone wants an apology, you're not getting it.

Re: RSA and Boarding Rules for 1/2 Day boats?
 

Hey Russ. Morning trip returns at 12:30. Afternoon anglers are already waiting on the dock before then. Morning folks who return for PM trip can claim any open rod holder before the new folks board. Good luck Sunday :)

Re: RSA and Boarding Rules for 1/2 Day boats?
 

get there by 12 and you should get a decent spot somewhere. Depending on the weather I may join you.

Re: Uncle!
 

eaten some crow before if you dip then in boiling water then ice water the feathers come off easier . see ya thurs bob :D

Re: Uncle!
 

Can't wait. Yellowfin here we come!

Re: Uncle!
 

Thanks for posting. And thanks to Capt TB for setting the record straight

Re: Uncle!
 

The better man will admit when he is wrong. Kudos! Even a broken watch is right twice a day! You clearly "manned up". Good for you!

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Just a quick question, how do you pay for the permit by CHECK/CREDIT CARD or is it CASH ONLY PLEASE ? Can anyone answer THANKS

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Since you do not pay for the permit, the answer to your question is "You don't."

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THANKS for the reply CAPT TB , do you know the process how a party boat obtains the RSA permit? THANK YOU AGAIN KINDLY for your time

Re: Is it just me...?
 

CAPT TB just wanted to rephrase my last question ,is there any types FEES to be paid for RSA permit and type/options of payment by the applicant for whom the permit will be issude too THANKS YOU for your help

I hope I'm a day late and a dollar short on this RSA FLUKE PERMITS!
 

I don't know if I missed the negitive feed back about the RSA fluke permits [computer crashed] but all I want to say is that it is a messed up situation!
If the Goverment wants records they should ask each party boats to keep records during the season!
also isn't this salt water registery that each of us had to sign up for, for records?
then there is the SFFF has everyone forgotten about this group are we not supposed to stick together?
I'm a boat owner plus I also fish on Party boats! I fish a lot with my Grandkids ages 12 and 18 how do I explain about the RSA permits to them!
I tell you what I tell them! it is all about greed!! those boat that are buying these permits are going to be the first ones to CRY when they are run out of business by our Gov't they have turned there back on other personaly owned boaters and Charter Boat owners and other Party boat owners for a couple of extra days of fishing! these RSA PERMITS are for the greedy!
As for the anglers that are fishing on these boats I now have no respect for you either and some of these anglers are very popular on this board!
I would like you guys to personaly tell my grandchildren why you fish for fluke on a RSA permit boat and they can't fluke fish on our boat!!
I personally will not EVER fish on any of the party boats that fish for fluke on the RSA permit I know my money is small but you have lost a customer forever!
:mad:
Greedy people will loose in the end!!

Re: I hope I'm a day late and a dollar short on this RSA FLUKE PERMITS!
 

Maybe you should read some of the RSA posts here before posting. As I understand it the permits fund the program.

Re: I hope I'm a day late and a dollar short on this RSA FLUKE PERMITS!
 

can the moderators make a sticky of the threads that have discussed this already? Now that RSA season is on us, there will probably be a lot more of these uninformed posts popping up.

Re: I hope I'm a day late and a dollar short on this RSA FLUKE PERMITS!
 

A lot of these in depth post's you need to be a lawyer to understand them...In other words they are not in laymens terms....It would be nice for a member who does understand these long winded regulations to put them in words that I and possible others could understand to avoid the confusion!

But that might be too much to ask! I am not sure.

Re: I hope I'm a day late and a dollar short on this RSA FLUKE PERMITS!
 

They COULD but a better idea would be for MEMBERS to just do a simple SEARCH, using said feature on this site and finding the appropriate posts themselves. 'Give a man a fish and he'll eat for one day........Teach him to fish (or search) and he'll eat (find his own answers without being spoon-fed like a baby) forever.'

Please don't respond that you don't have enough time to search yourself.........PLEASE! It takes seconds and I'd lay LONG ODDS you've got one extra moment to stay online.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

You have just proved that you know NOTHING about how the RSA works! There have been many threads about this program, if your computer was down maybe you should have looked at past posts to educate yourself about the subject! And why take your frustrations out on the boats that purchased poundage to keep us fishing! The boat owners are probably going to loose money by keeping us fishing, but you go ahead and boycott those boats that have purchased poundage, which was "set aside" anyway. I will make up for your shortfall.

I for one thank the boats that have decided to purchase the poundage and extend my season. This is a program that has been around for YEARS! 100% of the money goes to research, which you would know if you did some research before condemning boats trying to stay in business.

Don't explain to your grandchildren that you can't fluke, just take them on a trip on a RSA vessel.

The only reason I take this tone with you, is because you have stated that you have no "respect" for peeps fishing these boats, which I am one of. Learn about the permit before you hurt someone trying to extend our season legaly. If you don't like it blame the government, not the boats adhearing to the law. If the PB's didn't purchase the poundage the commercials would have anyway.

Maybe you can do some research (not hard, just look at past posts) and give these guys a break.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Im going to go a step further than Steve because clearly we're never going to fish together. Your basically teaching your grandkids to be as ignorant as you clearly are. Hopefully they still manage to grow up smart and realize good from bad.

Re: I hope I'm a day late and a dollar short on this RSA FLUKE PERMITS!
 

Here real simple. Pounds of quota up to 3% are set aside. Boats bid for the right to fish those pounds. All money goes to fund research work. Not,necessarily the species being fished for. Good enough? Hard to type all this on my Droid.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

If they are in the second grade they should be able to understand it the way CaptTB explained it.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

When will we realize there is gold on the bottom of the ocean....have you seen the price of fish lately...yeah years ago when fish was cheap no one cared...but now...forgetaboutit! So they dont want use to collect that gold so we have shorter seasons....larger size limits....more rules and regulations to stop us from getting them valuable fish. Just try to go to a state park and pan for gold..... the Park Rangers will be all over you. just my take on it..I could be wrong!

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Here's my oversimplistic pictorial look at how I understand it. But I think it's the general gist. Did I spell gist correctly?

Re: Is it just me...?
 

hahaha jonny boy to much time on your hands with that cartoon lol
dude we got to get you back out on the water lol i think you've fully lost what mind you had!

Re: Is it just me...?
 

This thread has been beat to death. Thanks for bringing some humor back to the board to lighten things up . I am sure your post gave most a smile and a good laugh . Thanks for sharing

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Its none of my business how much the quota/poundage costs an individual but I would like to have an idea how its paid for/payment method , can any one shed any light?

Re: Is it just me...?
 

I believe it's done auction style. And you can bid for poundage. I remember hearing the average price was in the range of $1.75 a pound. Now that's 3rd hand knowledge. So figure the average boat dropped 3,000 dollars on Quota. That is going to be near impossible to make back. I bet they break even, do some good with it, and keep their regulars happy, and that's about it.

It's really not the evil everyone is making it out to be.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

ROFL I just got home so I can see your chart now Jon. That's awesome. Good work.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

with opions like this Russ is why we have screwed up fluke fishing laws now!
I've fished along side of you and I can't belive your comments ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU KNOW I own my own boat and fish on PB ALSO
GREEDY FISHERMAN 3 EXTRA WEEKS FOR YOU AND NOTHING FOR MY GRAND CHILD!!

Re: Is it just me...?
 

NOT TRUE, you can bring your grand son (or daughter) on an RSA trip and help donate to research! The set aside is there any way, so use it! They have been doing this in NY for Years. In my opinion it is about time the NJ boats took advantge of the program. But what do I know being you don't respect my opinion anyway.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

THANKS RussH Im trying to find out how payment is made after price is figured out check/credit card/cash only please and is payment sent in or the picked up at the dock and permit is handed over to capt THANKS AGAIN RussH

Re: Is it just me...?
 

I'm not sure what you're getting at? Are you trying to say that the captains give envelopes of cash to some politician to fish? I feel like I'm being baited. Ironic on a fishign message board of course. I'm sure the RSA is an organization and the captains write them a business check. Same way I purchase from auctions in my business.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

If you've fished with me then you'd know me to be fairly level headed, and at least moderately intelligent. I wasn't trying to say ALL private boat owners are upset with RFA and don't fish party boats. I was making a generalization about my personal experiences thus far.

I'm not looking to fight, but I don't think you can call us greedy fishermen for supporting the RSA boats. The quota is there, they bought it, why not support them for supporting research?

Re: Is it just me...?
 

thats quite a LINE :)

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Apart from the obvious "baiting" (thanks Russ, I laughed at that one!) since it has already been explained that the permits involved are not part of the RSA program and are from the state, your question makes no sense. The purchase of RSA quota and the issuance of the permit are two separate actions involving two different entities that are not related to each other.

(going to keep being specific in my responses to see how long it takes you to actually say what you mean)

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Here, I'll "bite" just because I am bored.:D

The quota is auctioned off by NFI, the group responsible for managing the auction of the RSA quota for the MAFMC. Monies for purchasing RSA quota is sent directly to them, and the money is then distributed directly to the groups performing the approved research studies.

Scientific exemption permits or special exemption landing permits (whatever the individual state calls them) as well as federal special landings permits do not involve any money whatsoever and are mailed directly to the recipient.

So, if you are trying to find out "where to send my money so I can fish" or some other such nonsense, you will need to participate in next years RSA auction. I would not recommend that unless you are comfortable with giving out your hard earned cash to fund research without any guarantee of getting that money back.

Re: Is it just me...?
 

Tony, I have a suspicion that this is the most fishing this guy has done in a long time. And he got two big fish to bite. LOL