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Kevin Bogan
01-25-2014, 10:00 AM
Every now and then someone posts the $64 question, "what rod should I get"?
sounds good to me.
Here are a few typical answers, "brand X model 70X", brand Z model 66MH, box store '.....' has them on sale", go see this guy '.....' he is a custom builder". While all the answers must be respected, are those opinions actually based on the best value for the MONEY ? .
That is to say, is a $60 Ugly Stick a better rod than a $250 rod. Common cent$ would dictate that more money buys a better product. The fact is, fishing rods don't always work that way.
At $50-100 you are looking at a rod that is made in China and is built to specs based on MOQ's [minimum order quantities per unit] The rod factory offers a particular rod to a company for a price assuming they buy at least 100 per unit, the cost will drop at say 500 per unit and so on.
What I have found is that a new wave of rods has hit the US shores in the past few years that reflect a much higher cost, and not much higher quality or value. The Tuna jig market is the best example, and there are others as well. Now we are talking $300-700 retail, and I ask myself, what is a person receiving for such a high cost?
The advertising states the same message that has been used since the 1980's.
"the rod blank has a magical, secret ingredient within, that ad's a great cost to the rod. The components on the rod are not the best by any stretch of the imagination. One very popular brand, and others, in the $200-300 range feature, that's right they feature, a particular "ring guide" brand that that begins to rust in a very short time frame. When "rusting" starts on metal, it doesn't stop. The same guide is fastened to the rod with "sub par" epoxy techniques. The average "beginner" rod builder hobbiest will do a better job on his first few builds than most of these high cost factory rods.
Structural integrity? that is the characteristic of most factory rods that you will not see until the rod is purchased, and within a short time, "the rod tip broke", the "reel seat has dislodged from its binding and now spinning in circles", "the gimbal has broken loose", the "high end" rod blank snapped in half and the one they replaced it with broke as well". The factory that does not glue the cheap rod correctly, rarely glues the high priced rod any better as they employ the same techniques. My opinion here is that for $50-100 it may not come to much of a surprise, but at $200 and higher, everything should hold together, and last for a long, long time.
The question should be, "What am I getting for my money/?"
any thoughts?

Gerry Zagorski
01-25-2014, 10:36 AM
A well built custom rod can last you a lifetime. In many cases you are only looking at a small if any price difference and you get something that is unique to you. At the same time you are supporting small businesses which are the life blood of our local economy. Win-Win.

JerseyCoast
01-25-2014, 08:09 PM
Well said Kevin. I agree with many points that you have made. When I see these $350-$500 OEM rods and the guys jumping all over them,...... I used to get a little down, wonder what the hell the rest of us were doing wrong. BUT.... lately I have realized..... these same gys are coming back a year later, looking for a new rod to replace the junk they bought last year! Now, rather than let it bother me... I look at it as a future customer. :D

None of these manufacturers are going to match the work a true rod builder is doing . While on this topic... the guys who dont even build their own rods, yet claim to be an expert on rod building.... they are just as bad in my book! Guys like yourself that have been building for ages :eek:, will always outlast the fads and marketing gimmicks.

I am curious what the fisherman has to say about this though! Anybody??

Kevin Bogan
01-27-2014, 10:22 AM
Tom, you are right. After about a year they realize that they got hosed, and you see a lot of guys selling their Chinese rods on classifieds and ebay.
Your price point on your rods is an excellent value for a product that not only looks great, but will no doubt last for years.

Ryelof
01-27-2014, 11:15 AM
After years of spending lots of money on rods, I now have a Bogan rod for fluke/seabass, a Garone rod for Blackfish and a Jersey Jigger for about every thing else. Tony at Jersey Coast is going to build my next rod (tilefish).

So Tommy tell Tony, Bob Foley is due in.

tropics
01-27-2014, 12:01 PM
The $64.00 question
For the amount of work you guys( Kevin,Tom,Mike) do in creating rods that will last a life time, they are not much more then what it cost to build one yourself. But they stand behind their work, Thanks for being sponsors and sharing your knowledge

Ol Pedro
01-27-2014, 12:03 PM
I agree that a lot of factory rods that are made Offshore are crap . Due to price fixing a lot of people are paying twice what the rods (and some reels) are worth. Big names , bells , and whistles sell product . I feel that a rod fitted to your needs from a good shop that you can go in and bend a few blanks and have plenty of options is better than most factory rods . I would rather have a rod that lasts for years than follow a fad. When the time comes for a rewrap or repair I like the fact that I can go back to the shop and they will take care of it . Kevin has taken care of my rods even though it was my fault and not a defect .

rvr2c
01-28-2014, 11:09 AM
I have a Bogan Rod 4-5 yrs old that has an Avet LX mounted on it for trolling tuna, You can't beat a custom rod, looking forward for another at the Somerset show.

june181901
01-29-2014, 07:14 PM
I have 2 rods built by a "K.B." that some of us know about. Couldn't ask for any thing better. Worth every cent I paid and I really don't know him so I am not endorsing a friend.
I also have an outstanding rod from a guy on Long Island who makes them under the name of Capt. N.F. Unbelievably sensitive and I get about every fluke who sniffs at my baits or jigs.

IF you can afford the higher price AND you fish more than the occasional weekend you owe it to yourself to try a custom made rod as I have found there is a profound difference.

Feel free to PM me if you need help deciphering the identities of either craftsman.

frugalfisherman
01-30-2014, 08:25 AM
Now let's get down to the nitti gritti. If the custom rod snaps when you are for example trying to break loose from being stuck on the bottom what is the warranty?

Kevin Bogan
02-01-2014, 12:47 PM
Now let's get down to the nitti gritti. If the custom rod snaps when you are for example trying to break loose from being stuck on the bottom what is the warranty?
Frugal, great question. Most rods that I build for inshore fisheries average about $150-200. They usually have very basic wraps to help keep the cost down, but nothing is sacrificed with the quality of the components. in fact the rod should last about 20 years or more.
Here is a fact, fishing rods do break at times, for whatever reason. My warranty on all rods, at any price is this. If the rod snaps in half, I will replace it for one third the cost. You can buy a killer Fluke, Striper or Blackfish rod, A FISH POISON for $149, with your name and a fish decal of your choice. If it breaks, I'll replace it for $50:eek: cant beat that:)
Curious what the warranty is on rods that cost $250-400? If the salesperson might suggest that "it was your fault", well then, you don't have a good warranty.:(
another fact, breakage is RARE with a Fish Poison rod.

frugalfisherman
02-03-2014, 08:38 AM
OK Kevin. That is a good warranty. Even though some storeboughts are garenteed against breakage by the time you pay to ship them back and forth it is hardly worth it.

Garone Custom Rods
02-03-2014, 09:25 AM
As far as warrantees go I guarantee my rods against workmanship defects. If a rod breaks after the first time out ( if it breaks on the first fish that is a different story) and the customer would like to have a replacement made I will salvage the components I can from broken rod and wrap the replacement for at the same rate as a new rod minus the cost of the reused components. If the blank manufacturer warrantees the blank the cost of the blank is also subtracted from the build cost. The fact is that as a single man operation I cannot afford to wrap replacement rods for nothing especially when I have 10-30 hours in a rod. I would go out of business in no time. Personally I believe these no questions asked warrantees have and still are destroying the industry. I work at an outdoor store part time and see guys come in with rods that are broken and when you hear what you were doing that broke it you want to slap them. It's like taking a Honda Civic offroading and then doing to the dealer expecting a new car when the suspension is destroyed. I have also heard some a$$holes even say I wanted a new one so I broke it and sent it back to so and so and they sent me the new model for a few $ shipping. That being said in the 9 years I have been building and hundreds of rods under my belt only 2 that I have built broke while fishing.

mickrazz
02-12-2014, 12:14 AM
If someone breaks a rod trying to get unstuck from the bottom he is an idiot.

fin_s_guy
02-12-2014, 08:33 AM
If someone breaks a rod trying to get unstuck from the bottom he is an idiot.

THIS is why you rule Mick! Bwahahaha!!!

Kevin Bogan
02-12-2014, 01:51 PM
OK Kevin. That is a good warranty. Even though some storeboughts are garenteed against breakage by the time you pay to ship them back and forth it is hardly worth it.

often they want a replacement charge, $60-80, plus shipping, and sometimes they send you the next best model.:eek: