No Jan/Feb 2014 Sea Bass Season

[Angler Paul]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but NOAA has decided that recreational fishing for sea bass in federal waters for January and February of 2014 will be prohibited.

Paul Haertel

[AndyS]

...........and make sure to sign the Saltwater Registry after reading this :mad:

[aruvio]

We need to fight this people.. so ridiculous I can't stand it!:mad:

[Jay]

Not a shocker. I recall it was mentioned earlier in the year. As usual, Thanks for the information.

[giantfan]

I was just about to book a trip for January 4th...... is this a done deal? I looked at NOAA and NMFS and couldn't find anything on it.
I'm not doubting you.....just want to confirm before I book the trip

[RussA]

In All honesty, every single captain from the Highlands to Cape May should sail weather permitting from January through March for offshore seabass.

The problem here is these people think they know things, they don't.

[RussA]

This political stance is called a nudge, they let you have a little then they nudge you in the direction they want you to go little by little in this case they don't want you fishing.

Cass Sunstein, was the head of the white house information and regulatory affairs. Left in2012, but left a horrible seed to grow.

Cass Sunstein, was nominated regulations czar, wants animals to be able to sue their owners and has asserted that the lives of elderly people should be given less value in government regulatory cost/benefit determinations.

Just so you are clear on this, he is not a good guy, he is a liberal bat shit crazy individual and people listen to him.

"Second Amendment

“Consider the view that the Second Amendment confers an individual right to own guns. The view is respectable, but it may be wrong, and prominent specialists reject it on various grounds. As late as 1980, it would have been preposterous to argue that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to own guns, and no federal court invalidated a gun control restriction on Second Amendment grounds until 2007. Yet countless Americans politicians, in recent years, have acknowledged that they respect the
individual right to bear arms, at least in general terms. Their views are a product of the energetic efforts of meaning entrepreneurs – some from the National Rifle Association, who have press a particular view of the Second Amendment. ”

“The National Association of Broadcasters and others with similar economic interests typically use the First Amendment in precisely the same way the National Rifle Association uses the Second Amendment. We should think of the two camps as jurisprudential twins.”

Hunting, fishing & Animal Rights

“We ought to ban hunting and fishing”

“[Humans’] willingness to subject animals to unjustified suffering will be seen … as a form of unconscionable barbarity… morally akin to slavery and the mass extermination of human beings.”

Free Speech

“A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.”
“A legislative effort to regulate broadcasting in the interest of democratic principles should not be seen as an abridgment of the free speech guarantee.”

“I have argued in favor of a reformulation of First Amendment law. The overriding goal of the reformulation is to reinvigorate processes of democratic deliberation, by ensuring greater attention to public issues and greater diversity of views.”


“…[I]n light of astonishing economic and technological changes, we must doubt whether, as interpreted, the constitutional guarantee of free speech is adequately serving democratic goals. It is past time for a large-scale reassessment of the appropriate role of the First Amendment in the democratic process.”

“The site’s of one point of view agree to provide links to sites of the other point of view. So if you’re reading a conservative magazine, they would provide a link to a liberal site. And vice versa, just to make it easy for people to access to competing views.

Or maybe a popup on your screen that would show you an advertisement or maybe even a quick argument for a competing view.

If we could get voluntary arrangements in that direction, it would be great and if we can’t get voluntary arrangements maybe Congress should hold hearings about mandates.”

Sunstein verbally shuffles around and throws out the “aw shucks” smokescreen: “If we could do this voluntarily…”

“Sometimes, the word ‘voluntary’ is a little complicated…”
– Cass Sunstein

BUT, as usual, a Cass Sunstein argument devolves to: If the people won’t do what’s good for themselves voluntarily, government will have to nudge them in the right direction–using the force of the government, of course.

Readers have a simple formula for determining loss of freedom: when a government official talks of “doing something for your–or the public’s–own good, it means you’re about to lose part of your freedom.

Taxes

“In what sense in the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?… Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. … There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day …”

Second Bill of Rights

“My major aim in this book is to uncover an important but neglected part of America’s heritage: the idea of a second bill of rights. In brief, the second bill attempts to protect both opportunity and security, by creating rights to employment, adequate food and clothing, decent shelter, education, recreation, and medical care.”

“Much of the time, the United States seems to have embraced a confused and pernicious form of individualism. This approach endorses rights of private property and freedom of contract, and respects political liberty, but claims to distrust “government intervention” and insists that people must fend for themselves. This form of so-called individualism is incoherent, a tangle of confusions.”

“For better or worse, the Constitution’s framers gave no thought to including social and economic guarantees in the bill of rights.”

Animal Rights

“Animals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives…”

40 years ago, Cass Sunstein would have been labeled an “anti-American, anti-freedom crackpot.” Now, however, he’s slithering around OUR WHITE HOUSE, making laws We, The People will have to obey or become criminals."

[tautog]

The season may be closed but my cooler is always open.:D

[Chris1129]

Such BS......that will put a lot more pressure on the Blackfish too in Jan/Feb.

[bulletbob]

Such BS......that will put a lot more pressure on the Blackfish too in Jan/Feb.

Oh, no problem with that at all.. They'll just shut that down as well.. Problem solved!
Then when the ling are all thats left to fish for,
they will issue a panicked statement as to how the "Squirrel and Red Hake" stocks need to be regulated due to over exploitation, and shut that down as well...

Its not all bad news though. the Sea Robin and Little Skate populations are in good shape, and maybe the party boats can fish them for a while.. Until Big Brother starts yelling "stocks over exploited"...... bob

[MrAC1980]

Dont forget about the elusive dog fish! Maybe they'll let us fish for them until they are supposedly depleted and need to be shut down as well!

[joeya78]

Oh, no problem with that at all.. They'll just shut that down as well.. Problem solved!
Then when the ling are all thats left to fish for,
they will issue a panicked statement as to how the "Squirrel and Red Hake" stocks need to be regulated due to over exploitation, and shut that down as well...

Its not all bad news though. the Sea Robin and Little Skate populations are in good shape, and maybe the party boats can fish them for a while.. Until Big Brother starts yelling "stocks over exploited"...... bob
Let's not forget the codfish that have just started to make a comeback....we need a fisherman politician to help this situation

[RussA]

Let's not forget the codfish that have just started to make a comeback....we need a fisherman politician to help this situation

The Codfish Come-Back is do to the measures on the Georges Bank as that stock over flows into our waters.

There have been more and more whiting too, but that is the Hudson Canyon stock slowly over flowing back into our waters.

I am for the local commercial fishermen, not corporate commercial vessels like we have offshore harvesting the whiting stocks so fast they really never get a chance to migrate to our waters.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Pretty typical..... Here is how I think the game works.... They have a season size and bags limits in mind they deem acceptable to sustain the fishery. Rather then float that number and have us argue to increase it, they tell you they are going to shut down the entire fishery. We rally and get it open with what is likley close to the number they deemed acceptable in the first place... They appear to be working with us and making some compromises and we are thankful to have a season at all.

Round and round it goes...

It happened with Fluke a few years back and it happened with cod this year.

[Sharkyispy]

Such BS......that will put a lot more pressure on the Blackfish too in Jan/Feb.


No Chris, it's all F-B-S! We fight, we organize, we vote and what do they do??? Take it away, bit by bit, piece by piece.....

And Gerry, I believe you are right on with this. They really come out smelling like roses when they compromise with the masses and give us a bone to chew on for a while...

[dales529]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but NOAA has decided that recreational fishing for sea bass in federal waters for January and February of 2014 will be prohibited.

Paul Haertel

With all due respect I am not sure why this was posted in the first place. Those involved in Fisheries management and I am sure most if not all Party Boat Captains knew back in Dec 2012 that there would be NO Winter Seabass for Jan / Feb 2014.
This is no surprise and NOT new news. In my opinion posts like this just detract from the effort and fire up the masses for something that was already set back in 2012. That is why there is no formal announcements or breaking news out there. They didn't take anything away that wasn't already gone in 2012. Just sayin!

[Jay]

With all due respect I am not sure why this was posted in the first place. Those involved in Fisheries management and I am sure most if not all Party Boat Captains knew back in Dec 2012 that there would be NO Winter Seabass for Jan / Feb 2014.
This is no surprise and NOT new news. In my opinion posts like this just detract from the effort and fire up the masses for something that was already set back in 2012. That is why there is no formal announcements or breaking news out there. They didn't take anything away that wasn't already gone in 2012. Just sayin!

I was under the same impresion. I recall back in Febraury it was mentioned.

[Angler Paul]

I do not know of any decision not to have a Jan/Feb season having been previously made. I posted it to inform others so that they can plan their fishing trips accordingly. I think the post was helpful considering that it had nearly 1400 views. Good news or bad, I am just trying to keep this site's many viewers informed.

Paul Haertel

[dales529]

Paul,
Understood and appreciate you informing. Just wanted to state that you made it appear as they took something else away or that the efforts made to keep seabass open somehow failed which is not true. These seasons were closed a long time ago and while Capt Adams (and I am sure others) efforts last year had it opened it was an anomaly.

NEVER expected this Jan/ Feb to be open.

But the fight continues and hopefully Magnuson Flexibility will go through as well.