Fluke Teasers?

[Reelron]

I just read an article on using teasers while fishing for fluke. I usually just use a bare Gami hook covered with a Gulp swimming mullet about 18" above my bucktail. I would say about 80% of what I catch is on the teaser. One friend I was talking to yesterday says he uses the bigger Gulp baits on his teaser and catches bigger fish on the teaser.

I was just wondering what everyone else does? Plain, small baits, big baits, feathers?

[NoWorries]

The jerkshad and 6" swimmin mullet produces bigger fish at times. Also 4" shrimp in new penny is always with me. I can't wait . Just a little while longer :D

[Bates]

6" Gulp grub with a tinsel teaser on a 6/0 gama baitholder, deadly....:D

[Skolmann]

I use all that as already been mentioned.

I also like using a clouser minnow with either a 1/0 or 2/0 hook tipped with a spearing.

[broken bobber]

New penny scrimps.... ALWAYS !

[Lard Almighty]

I normally don't use teasers, but I do use the Gulp swimming mullets all the time, and usually out-fish almost everyone else on the boat. Mostly shorts, though, and lots of robins mixed in. Seems like it's more of a numbers tactic.

[Life's A Beach]

More importantly........

How do you tie your teasers on???

a seperate line from a swivel?
a drooper loop?
a figure 8 loop?

Anyone have issues with breakage @ that teaser connection?

[MartyS]

More importantly........

How do you tie your teasers on???

a seperate line from a swivel?
a drooper loop?
a figure 8 loop?

Anyone have issues with breakage @ that teaser connection?
Dropper loop...no problems with tangling the main leader.

[Reelron]

More importantly........

How do you tie your teasers on???

a seperate line from a swivel?
a drooper loop?
a figure 8 loop?

Anyone have issues with breakage @ that teaser connection?

I am probably one of the worst knot tyers around. (Never got my Boy Scout merit badge) If I have time I make up rigs before hand and use a droppor loop for the teaser hook. After I use my dozen or so made up rigs I then just get frustrated and tie a double overhand knot with a loop in it. (This probably costs me more rigs!)

Biggest problem I have is with the small eye on the Gami ooks. I have started to switch over to Owner hooks for that reason.

[Dclark2]

Reelron

Try this knot call the KIWI Dropper Loop - retains about 90 percent of line strength VS. the 50 - 60 that the conventional dropper loop is. Try it a few times and you will see that it's really quite easy.

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/plat_fishing_knots.html

[Life's A Beach]

Reelron

Try this knot call the KIWI Dropper Loop - retains about 90 percent of line strength VS. the 50 - 60 that the conventional dropper loop is. Try it a few times and you will see that it's really quite easy.

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/plat_fishing_knots.html



I'll try that one. If I don't tie the dropper loop correctly, it becomes like a slip knot and weakens the line when pulled tight. I've seen the figure 8 fail a lot!

[sportfishingusa]

I'll try that one. If I don't tie the dropper loop correctly, it becomes like a slip knot and weakens the line when pulled tight. I've seen the figure 8 fail a lot!



but some extra loops in that baby, i do a six wrap dropper.. that baby does not come out very often!!!

Also mike i would not recommend it on any leader under 20lbs.. 20lbs would be my smallest diameter i would do it on!

[Life's A Beach]

but some extra loops in that baby, i do a six wrap dropper.. that baby does not come out very often!!!

Also mike i would not recommend it on any leader under 20lbs.. 20lbs would be my smallest diameter i would do it on!


I'm tawkin about after you've done your wraps and are pulling it taut.......I've had issues with one side not catching and it becoming a slip knot. THEN the leader is clearly weakened.

Hell.......y'all "no" I don't use gulp and go without a teaser half the time. I have enuf trouble catching my one fish on the jig without worrying about managing a second hook. Not like I"m gonna catch a 2nd fish, right?

[sportfishingusa]

I'm tawkin about after you've done your wraps and are pulling it taut.......I've had issues with one side not catching and it becoming a slip knot. THEN the leader is clearly weakened.

Hell.......y'all "no" I don't use gulp and go without a teaser half the time. I have enuf trouble catching my one fish on the jig without worrying about managing a second hook. Not like I"m gonna catch a 2nd fish, right?


LAB LIMIT!! haha


Make sure you wet the line generously with spit. then you have to put the loop between your teeth and pull that as well as the main main leader on both sides equally! come on you got this!

[River Rat]

What time is knot tying class this week? :p

Spit on it Mikey... it likes it wet. ;)

[bigfishtale]

I've used a fly like the clouser tipped with bait, Gulp product, soft plastics like the Tsunami split-tails, etc as a teaser. Generally just tie a dropper loop above the bucktail and slip it on. As mentioned, lighter lines may not be the best choice for this teaser method and thicker leaders can make threading the loop through the teaser's hook eye a pain.

Had a few seasons where the teaser seemed to produce well but last few seasons, atleast in Raritan Bay, I just been fishing the bucktail by itself and doing well. Try to go as light as I can so using 10# test and under braid/superlines with a 3'-6' mono leader in 10-20# test. Good numbers overall and still putting nice keepers into the boat. 95% of the time the bucktail is just tipped with a 4" Gulp swim mullet.

Oceanside the teaser does seem to work much better, but in the bay it sometimes attracts mostly birds and rats. Lots of blues around now so they could reak havoc one fluke season opens up:eek:

[Sharkyispy]

Something I haven't seen posted here, using holographic squid fluke rigs as the teaser. Check out ebay, plenty on there from various makers. Have seen some doormats caught on these personally and have stocked up for this year's trips.

[bigfishtale]

Tied these up some years ago:

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[MartyS]

Had a few seasons where the teaser seemed to produce well but last few seasons, atleast in Raritan Bay, I just been fishing the bucktail by itself and doing well. Try to go as light as I can so using 10# test and under braid/superlines with a 3'-6' mono leader in 10-20# test. Good numbers overall and still putting nice keepers into the boat. 95% of the time the bucktail is just tipped with a 4" Gulp swim mullet.

Oceanside the teaser does seem to work much better, but in the bay it sometimes attracts mostly birds and rats. Lots of blues around now so they could reak havoc one fluke season opens up:eek:

There are two ways of bucktailing...using a heavy jig plus a teaser above it and jigging almost vertically. The other way is using a light bucktail only, cast ahead of the drift on a spinning setup doing the little twitch as it is slowly retrieved. The guys that do the latter well (I'm not one of them) catch a lot of fluke, but a lot seem to be short.

[bigfishtale]

Fish heavy enough and you'll be up-and-down, fish light jigs and you gotta work at it more to keep it in the fluke's strike zone. Teaser or no teaser, just a choice. It's all bucktailing though.

Don't limit yourself thinking those are the only two ways of doing it.

Want a teaser you don't have to worry about rebaiting, drying out, and just keep in any tackle box/bag easily? Slip one of these on and forget it until you have a fish on.;) (or when it gets tangled in the net)
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[lefteye]

I use figure 8 knots, both on the teaser and on the bottom for the bucktail.

[shrimpman steve]

two ounce bucktail tipped with swimming mullet, 12-18 inches above I tie a dropper loop with the 1/4 ounce bucktail already in the loop. Tip that with swimming mullet. I cast upcurrent and twitch my wrist almost dragging the bottom spro and getting the action i want on the teaser. We all know I tend to loose rigs in the rocks this way, but it works VERY well in the bay.

The key to tying the dropper loop is keeping some pressure on the loop while pulling the ends.

[dboyd101]

Shrimpman, you're right. And if you're tying it with mono for fluorocarbon, just give it a little push and it should tighten up more.

[GDubya07]

I use a dropper loop 12 - 18 inches above with a red gami 4/0 up top either with a skirt , bait, new penny shrimpies or swimming mullets - also throw on the 1/4 to 3/4 spro-like teaser on the top. Color or bait of choice on the teaser depends on what is working for me that day/area/week/tide/depth you get the idea.

When I make the dropper loop I pull the loop while sliding the ends of the knot and push towrds the middle were they meet for a snug fit (just like the shrimpman posted) - if that makes any sense to anyone but me???

Dano thank you for that link kiwi dropper loop looks awsome and will give it a try this year .

Good luck this year everyone

Gdubya-Out hopefully in 4 or 6 weeks - :cool:

[LeftyReeler]

I've had trouble in the past trying to get a small 2oz bucktail or a 3/0 Gami on a 40-50# dropper loop. I like to go this heavy so the dropper sticks out straight and doesnt foul the main line. Any recomendations other than bringing down the rig test? I know some have used tubing on the lighter test to keep it more horizontal for bottom dwellers, could this be an option as well for fluke?

Has anyone tried tying the dropper with the hook already threaded through it? Imagine that's prob not too complicated may even help pull the loop through the twists but will the hook slide up and down the loop and not present the bait/teaser as needed?

Another option is to go the three-way swivel route and then snell the hook...but with more terminal tackle chances for tangles and fouling increase

Trial and error I guess, fish what works for you but you wont know unless you try different things...just look at Chaz Bono

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/international/5362/Its-official-Chaz-Bono-is-a-man.htm

[bigfishtale]

I know a few that fish heavy mono and will cut the dropper loop on one side and then tie the teaser onto the strand. Haven't heard any of them complain that the line broke or slipped.

[GregV]

Has anyone tried tying the dropper with the hook already threaded through it? Imagine that's prob not too complicated may even help pull the loop through the twists but will the hook slide up and down the loop

If I am using teasers with small eyes, I will thread it on and position it on the loop of the dropper while tying the dropper. Easy to do. The hook will move on the loop but never caused a problem for me, maybe a little more action. Using 40/50 leader should reduce the hook swing on the dropper

[Jigsmith]

Q: When is a teaser not a teaser?
A: When it gets the majority of your fish.

[Life's A Beach]

Q: When is a teaser not a teaser?
A: When it gets the majority of your fish.



ha ha ha

then YOU can give me all your bucktails and YOU can use bank sinkers to hold your "TEASER" by the bottom. DEAL??

[Sharkyispy]

I've had trouble in the past trying to get a small 2oz bucktail or a 3/0 Gami on a 40-50# dropper loop. I like to go this heavy so the dropper sticks out straight and doesnt foul the main line. Any recomendations other than bringing down the rig test? I know some have used tubing on the lighter test to keep it more horizontal for bottom dwellers, could this be an option as well for fluke?

Has anyone tried tying the dropper with the hook already threaded through it? Imagine that's prob not too complicated may even help pull the loop through the twists but will the hook slide up and down the loop and not present the bait/teaser as needed?

Another option is to go the three-way swivel route and then snell the hook...but with more terminal tackle chances for tangles and fouling increase

Trial and error I guess, fish what works for you but you wont know unless you try different things...just look at Chaz Bono

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/international/5362/Its-official-Chaz-Bono-is-a-man.htm

I tie a jig or Spro right into the dropper loop. Just put on the line first and then pull through the loop when you pull it tight.

[Jigsmith]

ha ha ha

then YOU can give me all your bucktails and YOU can use bank sinkers to hold your "TEASER" by the bottom. DEAL??


Hahahaha, nope. I don't think a sinker will attract as well as a bucktail. Besides sinkers don't have hooks (just in case the fish likes that one better)

I just meant sometimes I think the bottom bucktail is the actual teaser and the smaller upper jig is the actual lure. I know, I know...I'm crazy.

[Life's A Beach]

Big Fish.........Big Bait

you'll get your share of NICE fish on the teasers AND the fight seems to be better on them too............








but



If you wanna hear "Game Over"...........

[Jigsmith]

You are correct. Big bait=big fish.

[Falcon]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm interesting thread....Nice photos Lab, will try to match....:D

[Kevin Bogan]

Ron good post, whether its a teaser or plastic I think the idea is good. Many surf guys claim that a lot of times the teaser outfishes the main hook.

[Capt. Lou]

There's several methods of adding a teaser. Keep in mind some offer quick change others do not! Simplest for me is to go the dropper knot loop route. When tying the DL simply go at least 5 turns inside loop, when tightening keep slight presssure on loop pulling out and away from turns. This alows a solid bite and prevents knot slippage which can occur w/o this loop pressure.
Quick change applications simply pre sneell your teaser and put a perfection loop in a short length of this snelled mono. Now install with a loop to loop application. This method it's best to pre snell your teasers and wahla you can change in a hurry! I've also found that the teaser catches better on this slightly longer ld. This eliminasted the worry over ld size to fit thru doublred drooper loop mono. This can also be accomplished by looping in a swivel via your original loop knot. Simply add the swivel to ld " prior" to forming loop,this also allows for QC .
I also use a hevier mono on the TS end while all my teasers are of lighter material. Example 30# TS installed on braid ,while teaser snelled w/ 20# mono. This allows the heavier TS material to hold the lighter teasrer material out away from rig.
Non change simple double or triple a surgeons,knot your teaser anywhere on your TS ,this application I use stiffer teaser mono to hold away from rig. The axis of the mono is is always up to to better hold teaser out & away fromTS.

[The Sinker Man]

Sinkers don't have hooks??????

[Jigsmith]

Sinkers don't have hooks??????

Not the last time I checked. Although there was someone who did just that but damned if I can find the picture. It was a classic.

[PocketFisherman]

I like to fish a big chrome ball with no hook as my weight and put 4 or 5 dropper loops spaced 6" apart. I then put 1/2 ounce mylar bucktail jigs on the dropper baited with yellow pork rind strips or Gulp new penny shrimp.

Sometimes if the drift is really fast I replace the chrome ball with a heavy krockodile type jig. The ones with the blue prism tape have worked well for me.

[RussH]

So you're fishing a 5 hook fluke rig essentially? Please tell me this is from a private boat...

[PocketFisherman]

5 is the most, but usually 3 or 4. Looks like a school of little fish to the flukes.

[Jigsmith]

I don't know what you call a fast drift but a krocodile of ANY size wouldn't begin to cut it on a fast drift for me.

[Leif]

I crushed them on a 5in Glow Octopus Skirt with a 4/0 Gami hook and Chartreuse gulp minnow. Kiwi dropper, 20 lb flouro carbon and a small spro swivel. Used various sized bucktails, sinkers and fluke bombs with the teaser.

Leif

[PocketFisherman]

I use 8 or 10lb Firelines Braids so I don't need to use too much heavy weights.

I also just make sure it bounces the bottom once outta every 4 or 5 jiggings.