Saltwater fishing license ????

[AndyS]

Saltwater fishing license is needed in:
Hawaii-not yet
Alaska-yes
Washington-yes
Oregon-yes
California-yes
Texas-yes
Louisiana-yes
Mississippi-yes
Alabama-yes
Florida-yes
Georgia-yes
South Carolina-yes
North Carolina-yes
Virginia-yes
Delaware-yes
Maryland-yes
New Jersey-sw registry
New York-sw registry
Connecticut-yes
Massachusetts-yes
Rhode Island-yes
New Hampshire-yes
Maine- it's complicated (typical Maine)
The registry is an important tool that will help fishermen and policy makers work together to better account for the contributions and impacts of saltwater anglers on ocean ecosystems and coastal economies. It is part of a national overhaul of the way NOAA collects and reports recreational fishing data. The goal of the initiative – known as the Marine Recreational Information Program, or MRIP – is to provide the most accurate information possible that can be used to determine the health of fish stocks. Reliable, universally trusted data will in turn aid anglers, fisheries managers and other stakeholders in their combined efforts to effectively and fairly set the rules that will ensure the long term sustainability of recreational fishing.
But only 2 states use the registry, I'm confused ???:confused:

[dales529]

Saltwater fishing license is needed in:
Hawaii-not yet
Alaska-yes
Washington-yes
Oregon-yes
California-yes
Texas-yes
Louisiana-yes
Mississippi-yes
Alabama-yes
Florida-yes
Georgia-yes
South Carolina-yes
North Carolina-yes
Virginia-yes
Delaware-yes
Maryland-yes
New Jersey-sw registry
New York-sw registry
Connecticut-yes
Massachusetts-yes
Rhode Island-yes
New Hampshire-yes
Maine- it's complicated (typical Maine)
The registry is an important tool that will help fishermen and policy makers work together to better account for the contributions and impacts of saltwater anglers on ocean ecosystems and coastal economies. It is part of a national overhaul of the way NOAA collects and reports recreational fishing data. The goal of the initiative – known as the Marine Recreational Information Program, or MRIP – is to provide the most accurate information possible that can be used to determine the health of fish stocks. Reliable, universally trusted data will in turn aid anglers, fisheries managers and other stakeholders in their combined efforts to effectively and fairly set the rules that will ensure the long term sustainability of recreational fishing.
But only 2 states use the registry, I'm confused ???:confused:

Andy:
NSAR was MANDATED by MSA in 2007 for ALL states to comply in one form or another:
The National Saltwater Angler Registry (NSAR) is a database of recreational saltwater anglers that helps NOAA gather data on recreational fisheries. A saltwater fishing license is usually required to fish in most public bodies of water and helps fund conservation efforts.

NJ opted to comply via the FREE NSAR so as not to incur any additional costs to NJ Salt water anglers as the Salt water license debate remains ongoing in NJ. AS you stated a lot of states already have the SWL. Here in NJ the debate is wether the SWL fees would actually go to fund conservation efforts (as FW licenses do) or just go into a "general fund" . To date NJ can not or has not answered that question so we opt for the MANDATED free NSWR until this debate can be resolved.

Hope that helps.

[AndyS]

When 19 states have a saltwater fishing license and 2 don't something doesn't seem right, it's fishy if you ask me.

[Duffman]

To date NJ can not or has not answered that question so we opt for the MANDATED free NSWR until this debate can be resolved.

The Saltwater Registry was first implemented in May 2011.

So what your saying is this debate on a SW License has been going on for 13 years and still isn't resolved?

[dales529]

The Saltwater Registry was first implemented in May 2011.

So what your saying is this debate on a SW License has been going on for 13 years and still isn't resolved?

Yup! Again on where the funds would actually go. Havent seen a bill in NJ legislation to dedicate SWL fees back to SW Fishing conservation just to a "general budget" . I may be wrong so if anyone knows any different let me know.

[Gerry Zagorski]

If I remember correctly I believe there was someone in the Christie administration that floated a trial ballon for a paid NJ Saltwater fishing license. I think it was an election year and it met a lot of public opposition so much so that every politician ran from it and it died from lack of political support. Shortly afterwards the RFA fought for and got the support need for the free registry we have now.

Further NY had a paid license for a short period of time and it was repealed and replaced by the free registry.

Lastly you’ll see here that the RFA was very involved in getting the free registry we have in place today. Read more here https://www.njfishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20354

[hammer4reel]

If I remember correctly I believe there was someone in the Christie administration that floated a trial ballon for a paid NJ Saltwater fishing license. I think it was an election year and it met a lot of public opposition so much so that every politician ran from it and it died from lack of political support. Shortly afterwards the RFA fought for and got the support need for the free registry we have now.

Further NY had a paid license for a short period of time and it was repealed and replaced by the free registry.

Lastly you’ll see here that the RFA was very involved in getting the free registry we have in place today. Read more here https://www.njfishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20354


The reason we don’t have a saltwater license was the Captain of marine fisheries was told there would be no funds allotted to more CO’S for enforcement.
So he made sure the push for a SW license stopped .
If he had been able to GUARANTEE additional manpower from those license fees , we would have a SW license .
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[AndyS]

Again, still seems funny 19 states were able to pull it off except for NJ and NY.
I would gladly pay for a saltwater license if it meant more law enforcement, and with that not only public but commercial also.
I did briefly visit a boat ramp near Crystal River Florida and in the parking lot were no less than 3 F&G trucks and what looked like 7 Conservation officer trucks.

[dales529]

Again, still seems funny 19 states were able to pull it off except for NJ and NY.
I would gladly pay for a saltwater license if it meant more law enforcement, and with that not only public but commercial also.
I did briefly visit a boat ramp near Crystal River Florida and in the parking lot were no less than 3 F&G trucks and what looked like 7 Conservation officer trucks.

Andy
Its nothing "funny" fishy, weird or playing the game. The other 19 states to my knowledge allocated the $$ where it needs to and NJ / NY would NOT. Pretty simple. I also as would many others pay for a SWL if it went to more law enforcement and conservation but plain and simple its not the case yet.

In the meanwhile we comply by using the FREE registry which I have zero issue with except NOAA doesn't send the surveys to as many as they should and rec anglers don't fill out what they should so MRIP is just another failure so for now glad its FREE

[Duffman]

It’s just an absolute effing joke plain and simple. Guys will post here they don’t want to pay for a license or the argument they don’t want big brother govt getting more involved and enforcement etc.

I’d pay whatever it costs for a license if ya told me more CO’s are out there doing there thing.

If you disagree you’re a fool and just haven’t seen what goes on.

Frustrating shit. Rant over

[Gerry Zagorski]

It’s just an absolute effing joke plain and simple. Guys will post here they don’t want to pay for a license or the argument they don’t want big brother govt getting more involved and enforcement etc.

I’d pay whatever it costs for a license if ya told me more CO’s are out there doing there thing.

If you disagree you’re a fool and just haven’t seen what goes on.

Frustrating shit. Rant over

Don't hold back and tell us how you really feel Duff :D

As far as I'm concerned, I have a few issues with a paid license...
- I think it could restrict access to fishing... You head down the beach or bay with your family and decide to bring a fishing pole or crab trap but you have to purchase a license?
- Our state already taxes us to death and with the money we already collect from sales tax, state income tax, tolls there's plenty of money if the state wanted to make fishing and enforcement a priority. A paid license is a money grab. It's not like the $30 or whatever it would effect me or others financially, it's the principal of it.
- Other states do benefit from the license dollars. Florida as an example has all sorts of public access areas and launch ramps, free beaches and free parking practically everywhere.... That's not the case in NJ, you'd not only have to pay for a license, you also have to pay to go on the beach. Most of the beaches and bays area lands have restricted access because it's either private property or there is no parking. Not sure a license fee is going to change that.

[AndyS]

Like Wilson said, guys would beef about a FW license for 22 bux but that was probably their cheapest purchase all year. Look at the cost of some of these SW licenses in others state, as low as 10 bux !!!

Funny you should mention bringing the family down on vacation because if I remember correctly it was a gentleman and his son vacationing from Pennsylvania that gut BUSTED at the Manasquan sea wall for not having the Saltwater Registry on hand, media made a big deal of this.

I'd much rather PAY for something. If I PAY for something and get NOTHING in return, well than that's a rip off. The ONLY thing the SW Registry had gotten us so far is shorter seasons and lower bag limits.

[dales529]

Like Wilson said, guys would beef about a FW license for 22 bux but that was probably their cheapest purchase all year. Look at the cost of some of these SW licenses in others state, as low as 10 bux !!!

Funny you should mention bringing the family down on vacation because if I remember correctly it was a gentleman and his son vacationing from Pennsylvania that gut BUSTED at the Manasquan sea wall for not having the Saltwater Registry on hand, media made a big deal of this.

I'd much rather PAY for something. If I PAY for something and get NOTHING in return, well than that's a rip off. The ONLY thing the SW Registry had gotten us so far is shorter seasons and lower bag limits.


With all due respect going to need some facts that state the SW Registry is responsible for shorter seasons and lower bag limits vs the SWL?

IF there were a SWL in NJ under current guidelines and you PAID for it you would get something. Oh yeah shorter seasons and lower bag limits but now you paid for that!

Again we are talking about ONLY NJ / NY the only 2 SWR states you pointed out and how that played into shorter seasons and lower bag?

[AndyS]

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With all due respect going to need some facts that state the SW Registry is responsible for shorter seasons and lower bag limits vs the SWL?

IF there were a SWL in NJ under current guidelines and you PAID for it you would get something. Oh yeah shorter seasons and lower bag limits but now you paid for that!

Again we are talking about ONLY NJ / NY the only 2 SWR states you pointed out and how that played into shorter seasons and lower bag?

The registry is an important tool that will help fishermen and policy makers work together to better account for the contributions and impacts of saltwater anglers on ocean ecosystems and coastal economies. It is part of a national overhaul of the way NOAA collects and reports recreational fishing data. The goal of the initiative – known as the Marine Recreational Information Program, or MRIP – is to provide the most accurate information possible that can be used to determine the health of fish stocks. Reliable, universally trusted data will in turn aid anglers, fisheries managers and other stakeholders in their combined efforts to effectively and fairly set the rules that will ensure the longterm sustainability of recreational fishing

[dales529]

The registry is an important tool that will help fishermen and policy makers work together to better account for the contributions and impacts of saltwater anglers on ocean ecosystems and coastal economies. It is part of a national overhaul of the way NOAA collects and reports recreational fishing data. The goal of the initiative – known as the Marine Recreational Information Program, or MRIP – is to provide the most accurate information possible that can be used to determine the health of fish stocks. Reliable, universally trusted data will in turn aid anglers, fisheries managers and other stakeholders in their combined efforts to effectively and fairly set the rules that will ensure the longterm sustainability of recreational fishing

Ok I think we all know MRIP doesn't work and I have posted the same in this thread. The question was how do think the Registry is more at fault than a SWL. The Registry as you quoted above is "an important tool" but NOT the only tool in MRIP.

Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be implying that states with a SWL vs the Registry should have longer seasons and better bag limits but we know thats not the case.

Again the question was the SWR vs the SWL and how you feel the Registry is the culprit OR would you agree that both are used wrongly in MRIP and further agree that here in NJ a SWL is not the best option given that NJ will not commit to using the funds properly.

Not to beat a dead horse but since we are MANDATED to have either a SWR or a SWL isnt the FREE Registry the better option at this time?? States can also do the National SWR for $15.00 per angler but those funds go to the US Treasury and we know where that ends up!

Summary:
MRIP is a failure for fisheries management.
FREE SWR is currently a better option for NJ than the SWL unless NJ legislates to use the funds properly.
Andy has to sign up for the FREE SWR:D

[AndyS]

I will NEVER sign up !!:D

[dales529]

I will NEVER sign up !!:D
Fair enough Andy and wish you good health and fishing, you do a lot for our sport! Hopefully there will be no tires in the ocean as you may need a SWR to get them out. :p

[dales529]

To ALL others on the fence: There are many dedicated SW anglers / advocates that volunteered and put their own time at the state and federal level into getting the FREE SWR for NJ and that should be respected regardless of your opinions on the Mandated SWR. IMHO the only option for NJ at the time and now.
https://www.njfishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20354

If you are not part of the process you cant complain about the results

[AndyS]

You need to purchase a license to go freshwater fishing in NJ
You need to purchase a license to go clamming in NJ
You need to purchase a license to put a crab trap out in the bay overnight in NJ

But saltwater FISHING........ nah, that's all FREE. How screwed up is this ???

[Duffman]

I will NEVER sign up !!:D
:p
Easy to say from a guy who doesn’t saltwater Fish

[AndyS]

Where does the money from the clamming and crabbing licenses go, a general fund ???