Hard Core Carp

[hooks40]

Any hard core carp guys on here? I'm talking hair rigs, pack bait and method weights. Just starting to learn after I happened on a spot just loaded with them with some real brutes mixed in. Looking to pick your brain in exchange for some information.

[bulletbob]

Yes... There are 2 baits they will hit instantly, and not ever be picky about.. First is soft shelled crayfish, if you can ever find a few.. Look under enough rocks and they are there.. Regular small hard shelled crayfish are good as well, but nothing like soft ones.. Also hellgramites.. they run straight at them, and nail them instantly,,

Another good bait is instant oatmeal... Right from the box, you mix it with a little water until its thick and gluey, and toss it out.. It doesn't last long but carp like it better than dough bait..

[thmyorke1]

Im not hardcore, but I was successful with whole kernel corn on a small size 4 baitholder hook with a single split shot.

[Andrushkin33]

If you want to learn more, feel free to join us on Delaware River.


Mostly we stick to generations tested european methods. Set up includes a version of umbrella rig with a weighted spring that acts as a chum device. I don't really know an English name for it and never seen them being sold here unless you happen upon an european owned bait store.

For bait we use whole corn kernels and for chum as mentioned already oatmeal cooked with corn flour and corn kernels and having croutons mixed in so it wont fall apart quickly.


Works as magic.


Andre

[catfishonthelake]

I've tried the European baits, hair rigs, etc. and I've had way better luck on a combination of cracked corn and oats as chum, oats and corn as pack bait and a puff rig with some flavor or scent on the puff. Someone who knows a thing or two turned me onto this style of fishing. And you can get all your bait at Shop-Rite and save a lot of money. Hook-ups on a puff rig can be near 100% if you snell the hook. I snell with a single Uni-knot (check it out on YouTube) because I don't like snell knots. I used to fish places where the carp were spooky and I swear the hair rig turned them off. I use 12-foot rods in tidal water and have 8- to 10-feet of 30-lb P-Line Fluorocarbon to my 50-lb braid mainline with an Alberto knot to add abrasion resistance and eliminate any fear of fish being line shy. I've found there's nothing more valuable than just keeping at it. I skunked so many times and now I have my system down. I have a spot I found on Google Maps, I cleared out with machetes and I expect to get a half-dozen or more fish every time I go out with at least 2 or 3 over 20lbs. Put in the time and tweak your methods and it will all come together one day. And I always use method weights.

[saxmatt]

This catfishonthelake guy knows what he’s talking about 😉 I would add always use a lead at least 3oz even in lakes, and make sure your hooks are super sharp before each cast. Hooks40, I sent you a PM.

[Lard Almighty]

Aside from the main tactics the carp sharpies above are talking about, keep an eye out for mulberry trees. If you see one at waters edge, put a couple ripe berries on a size 6 hook, add a couple of split shot, and toss it in not far from the tree. It's almost a sure thing.

[hooks40]

Thanks for the input. Never knew the depth of the carp following out there. Did some research and ordered some gear, which will come soon. I have some baits and chums researched as well. I'll check back in later in the summer and let you know if any of it worked.

[hooks40]

Why do you use a 3oz lead? What is the purpose of a weight that heavy?

I ordered some method weights, but not that big.

[catfishonthelake]

I'm going to assume, esp knowing what SaxMatt uses, that he uses a larger weight because it's easier to mold a big ball of pack bait around. This is what I use, they're long and flat and I can mold a softball-size ball of oat pack onto it as long as it's the right consistency (not too dry that it falls off and not too wet that it doesn't break down in the water). You can find 1-oz versions of these somewhere that I've used for pond fishing, but I fish only tidal rivers now so I don't go less than 2-ounces. I've never used other method feeders but lots of people do. I've just always found these easy.

https://wackerbaits.com/collections/feeders/products/gripper-in-line-lead-feeder-60g-2oz

[saxmatt]

It has to do with rig mechanics. It’s more likely the hook pierces their lip and less likely they eject the hook with heavier leads because of the extra tension.

[thmyorke1]

It has to do with rig mechanics. It’s more likely the hook pierces their lip and less likely they eject the hook with heavier leads because of the extra tension.

This is what the bolt rig is, if im correct? They set the hook on themselves when they run with the bait and the weight of the lead holds the hook so the carp drives it into its mouth?

[saxmatt]

This is what the bolt rig is, if im correct? They set the hook on themselves when they run with the bait and the weight of the lead holds the hook so the carp drives it into its mouth?

That’s the idea but my rigs are a little different, I use a semi-fixed lead. Even with a semi-fixed or sliding lead a 3oz weight should set the hook for you. If you are using 3oz+ and getting a lot of false runs and drops it means your hooks aren’t sharp enough.

[RichieFer]

I fish a local pond by my house for them once in a while. I usually use a treble hook and wrap it in a ball, no weight cast it out. They suck it up off the surface and run with it. Kinda cool to see them come up up and grab it.

[tunanut]

Fished the hackensack couple days ago for perch and catfish. There were nice sized carp breaking the surface as far as we could see. Would floating bread work to get these fish to bite? Drift it with the current?

[hooks40]

OK. The heavier weight makes sense, never thought of it that way.

Just got all of my stuff, now I need to sort through it and put together my rigs.