Not TOO happy about this

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

While if allowed to fish this area may seem like a possible goldmine structure wise.
What is the impact going to be to our current fisheries ?

The areas in question are our current migration routes for the great fisheries we already have.

Not so sure its worth losing what we have for a possibilty of a different fishery many years down the road . With also possibility of area closure.
Comparing what goes on in Nj to other states is laughable.
Just look at the current closure to bear hunting on state properties with one pen stroke.
Those lands bought with revenue from hunting and fishing licences and excise tax .
Now closed .

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' Time and time again, it has been proven that increasing habitat in one area does not "steal" fish from another area... Over time, biomass increases,, In my opinion, it might take some of the intense pressure off long established, and all too well known and hard hit fishing areas. I think its a very good thing, as long as the area is open to fishing.. If not, all bets are off..
I also think there might be more pelagics inshore in the farm zone.. Mahi, various tuna species, sharks etc.. that would be great for small boaters that normally have no shot at that sort of gamefish.. Remains to be seen, but i think those structures would be massive fish magnets within a few years... To me, its all about free access, NOT 'habitat destruction"..... bob

[Gerry Zagorski]

Just saw this https://vimeo.com/296493939

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Just saw this https://vimeo.com/296493939

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[Duffman]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

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Hilma of Klint....you didnt know she is in favor of the wind farms.....

[AndyS]

Since when is anyone happy ? Just grab your ankles and get used to it.

Grab your ankles at Hilma's af Klint! Gerry keeps posting links like this he's going to get banned from the site!

[Joey Dah Fish]

Originally Posted by AndyS

There is that word again "stakeholders"
They just chop up birds these wind mills.

Well I hope they chop up the Cormorants

[penn50w]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

http://www.njcleanenergy.com/nj-offs...ce=govdelivery

Betting we lose a lot of fishing areas to this we have fished for a lifetime

1st see where they are going to locate them, then worry about it

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by penn50w

1st see where they are going to locate them, then worry about it

Here is a pic of their current map

Here's the link to an article which gives some perspective about the overall plan and locations being considered. https://www.app.com/story/money/busi...ity/878021002/.

Appears a majority of the grid is either 20 miles south of long island or 20 - 50 / 60 miles east of Monmouth county and points south to Atlantic City. In broad terms, appears to start around the Mudhole area out to the Chicken Canyon in terms of distance offshore. It's a sizable area of real estate being considered. One grid alone covers 2,355 square miles as mentioned.

Pay close attention to the paragraph about cost which says:

Anyone who pays an electric bill will absorb some of the cost to produce power from offshore wind, because of both the enormous initial investment and the market set by far cheaper natural gas.

For instance, US Wind, which has the rights to 183,000 acres off of the south Jersey coast, will receive $131.93 for every megawatt-hour produced from 2021 to 2041 for consumers in Maryland.

That's about 2½ times the average wholesale price in the Washington D.C. area, according to PJM, the regional electrical grid supervisor.

Who knows what the environmental issues will be but they should be quantified before anything is executed. Here's another article about the economic boost to NJ associated with the project. https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20...w_jobs_to.html.

First question would be if there's such an economic boost, why does the first article discuss a substantial increase in electric prices to consumers. If the investor US Wind is getting 2 1/2 times more than the wholesale price, are we looking at a 500% increase in the retail price consumers and businesses pay? Whose discussing that? As I've said previously, you always here about the pros, the cons end up in small print or not at all. Pockets get lined, investors make billions and we absorb the financial burden. Again I'm all for cleaner energy but maybe the states and or investors have to subsidize a larger piece of the funding associated with a project of this nature. So instead of or in addition to the US government pledging $10.6 billion dollars to Central America and Southern Mexico yesterday to support their economies and address migration issues, they can subsidize this project so the funding doesn't fall squarely on homeowners and businesses. Get the US based oil conglomerates involved with the hundreds of billions they make every year, I assume the market share gained by clean energy initiatives will eat into the oil industry's current business if all this works according to plan so let them invest or mandate their investment to subsidize the project. No different than the Federal Reserve forcing seven or eight better capitalized banks to subsidize the financial crisis in 2008 to unlock the capital markets and save AIG, only this time earmark how the money is to be used. That'll make the country more self sufficient from domestic resources and less dependent on foreign resources which I thought along with cleaner energy was the point of all this. Lot of moving parts but curious who exactly is looking out for the interests of the commercial and recreational fishing community and the homeowners and business owners of NY / NJ. It's not Murphy or Cuomo.

In addition to all this, there should be language somewhere along the lines of an easement which guarantees access to these areas for 100 years or more. The oceans belongs to everyone, if these areas were ever legislated to be off limits like Earle, it would be an economic and recreational disaster all so someone can push his own political agenda to obtain office.